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And is it really fair to give more priority to one group of people to try to equalise the outcome? People should have equal opportunity, but what they choose for themselves after that isn't anyone elses fault.

Lets say we gave indigenous australians double everything.
Double the money, double the support services available, first in line for social housing, extra help with education, everything double, in an effort to raise their life expectancy to that of the general populace, would giving them all these extra things so that they could have 'equality in outcome' be fair?

http://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years

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"During Covid-19 medical professionals in Auckland identified that Māori and Pasifika were disproportionately waiting for surgery compared with other population groups and sought to fix it when operating theatres were back up and running after the 2020 lockdowns."

If that's true then who's racist?
The hospitals are for making them wait longer, and who's to blame for that the government.
- So the government and hospitals / health system are racist, but the average white guy is the one who is hated for it all, when it was always the government who was making the rules.

Yeah I don't know what to think about all this.

You get the life you're given by parents and family.
(And plenty of white people get dealt a crap hand of cards from birth as well)
And the life you make for yourself.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 7:27:02 PM
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And the Search Foundation is definitely the arse end of Communism. The racist policy, the Voice, is also Communist power and control: nothing to do with blackfellas.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 7:29:19 PM
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Tweets going back to 2018 have come to light showing a Mayo vision of the Voice that is in direct contrast to Albanese's deceitful (or naive) waffle.

To the other Mayoist demands such things as integration of indigenous lore and revival of indigenous languages are added; and a strange one about "voluntary payments from homeowners" to aborigines.

What happens if there are no 'volunteers'?

Politicians who ignored the indigenous 'advice' would face consequences!

All this was discussed two years before Albanese announced the Voice.

Linda Burney has refused to condemn Mayo's comments.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 10:48:22 PM
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Wouldn't it be just as fair to not give anyone special treatment, and to build a system for everyone on that basis?

Tell them not to eat too much sugar, as it may give you cancer
Try not to smoke, try not to drink to much alcohol, it's a waste of money for starters and one would be better off eating well and keeping active, for a long healthy life.
Try not to harbour anger, resentment, or hate, lest those feelings will eventually turn inwards on yourself.

No-one can change the past,
Don't let the past destroy your future.
You cant stop time or restart from the beginning.
You always have to keep moving forward, it's all there is.
Try to make good choices when you're young and live a full life so that you can be happy, humble and content when you grow old.

Trying to create 'equality of outcome' with people who drink too much and harbour anger and resentment, well it seems to me the only way to achieve equality of outcome is to constantly give them more stuff, which itself isn't fair on everyone else.

The real answer then, is to give them equal opportunity, and help them make better choices for themselves.
Empower them to do it, empower all the younger people to make smarter choices, (so many going off the rails these days) but don't try to aim for equality of outcome with handouts if you're not going to address the real issues holding back all these people from their true potential.
(Indigenous or otherwise)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 22 June 2023 12:10:33 AM
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ttbn,

I am more inclined to believe the article in 'The Guardian' than some un-sourced diatribe from a right winger in a Rukshan Fernando on 'TikTok'. Then what he says suits your narrative, so you might be more inclined to believe him.

The general state of health among the Maori population is not good, diabetes, heart disease, obesity, alcohol, smoking etc, all associated with lifestyle are the root causes. You find similar heath outcomes with Maori as you do with other indigenous populations. Then poor lifestyle choices are not restricted to indigenous, but seen in white populations among those from low socio-economic backgrounds as well.

Not only is there a heath disadvantage among the poor brought on by a lack of access to health services, there is also an unwillingness among the poor to change. Most of the time that unwillingness is associated with environmental factors, lack of education, poor living conditions etc etc etc.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 June 2023 6:02:13 AM
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Paul

Of course you are inclined to believe The Guardian, because that suits your narrative. I accept that.

As an aside, are you aware that the original instigators and owners of The Guardian were slave-owners?

Who do you think caused the reportedly bad health of the Maori? Are the Maori so backward and childish that they have no control over their own health? I don't believe that.

Did some other group of people cause their diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or alcohol-dependence?

You are right: "other indigenous populations" also blame others for their problems, rather than taking care of themselves. The problem is rife in a small minority of Australians.None of them have been denied health care, as I am sure no Maori have been denied health care in New Zealand, which is a modern democracy, with laws and facilities to protect everyone who wants them.

On the other hand, the majority of Australians of aboriginal heritage are as hale and healthy - and as happy and successful - as anyone else. From my time in NZ, and what I see and read now, the majority of Maori are the same. There are Maori in good positions, and in the political class.

Of course, the few who choose a 'traditional' lifestyle, but with all the unhealthy introduced food, alcohol and drugs, in remote areas where there are no jobs, education or services, are pretty hard to help.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 22 June 2023 8:32:29 AM
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