Thomas Mayo is a signatory to the Uluru Statement, an author and militant union official who sits on the Referendum Working Group.

Mayo doesn't share Albanese's sneaky, mamby-pamby view of the Voice.

No. The Voice is a campaign tool to "punish politicians"; "abolish colonialist institutions", and "pay the rent, pay reparations and compensation".

The Voice will be a "black institution, a black political force to be reckoned with", according to Mayo.

At the 2021 'Invasion' Day protest, he announced the plan to use the "rulebook" (Constitution) of the nation to force governments to listen.

He also talked about a link that he said the Voice has with a group called the Search Foundation, which he described as the successor organisation to the Australian Communist Party.

No wonder Albanese won't provide information or hold a traditional convention, whereby this sort of alarming information would be available to more people.

The second tech failure for me today. First my mobile, now the title of this, which was, 'Nothing "modest" about Thomas Mayo's Voice'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEARCH_Foundation

Thanks for the information ttbn. Kudos.

As they say loose lips sink ships.

ttbn,

The use of "..." in your title causes that part to be deleted when its finally posted. As for the topic this guy is but one voice among many. I believe in our democratic society a moderate outcome with The Voice will be what is achieved. Just as you put up Thomas Mayo with his radical view, there are many who have a more moderate view.

CM

Thanks for the reference to the Search Foundation. I had never heard of it; doubtless few others have either. That's the thing about knowledge and what we need to know - you won't get it from the MSM, nor in the normal course of our daily lives. But, it’s out there, quietly gnawing away at our freedoms while we carry on as though 'she'll be right' and Australia will never be affected by nasty stuff.

But the rot has been taking hold for the last 50 years, and has just started to become apparent to the unaware over the last decade, starting, in Australia, with the Turnbull-Morrison governments, and now the pace is increasing with the communist-like Albanese government.

Paul,

I'm sure that's what you would like to believe. But you know as well as anyone that Albanese's deliberate obfuscation is making an increasing number of people non-believers in the Voice. And, Mayo is one person who is brave enough, or stupidly arrogant enough, to spill the beans. We don't know how many people feel the same way and are happy for him to sound off on their secretive beliefs - because of the unwillingness of Albanese to release information. I blame Albanese. It's his baby. It's nothing to do with indigenous people. It's all about division (the tool of totalitarianism) and power. The only (real) aboriginal Australians who need real help will continue to live in squalor, fear, addiction and violence.

Thanks for suggesting that it is not my technical ineptitude that made my heading meaningless. It's a small, apparently accidental thing, that is preferable to the deliberate censoring of words and thoughts that occurs on the UNsocial media.

The Voice that wrote the Uluru statement, is the voice behind the Voice.
http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1020100882704730&ref=sharing

Watch yes believers try to dismiss Thomas Mayor.

http://au.iofc.org/uluru-statement-heart-thomas-mayor
ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12209503/Voice-Parliament-architect-addresses-plan-Pay-Rent-Indigenous-people.html

With the Senate voting 52 to 19 for holding the race-based Voice referendum, it's now up to us. Hopefully, the rest of us will have more sense and follow the 19.

Michaelia Cash's comment that the small 'l' liberals voted for it because they 'think' that Australians should have a say is utter bullsh.t. Australians didn't want it in the first place; it has been forced on them from the top down.

No sensible democratic person wants a country divided by race. Of course, we don't know if a majority of Australians are still sensible and democratic. There will be a lot of sh.t thrown about over the next six months.

Yes Search Foundation as new Communism is scary. Thanks for putting us onto it ttbn. Kudos.

There is extreme views from both the YES and NO sides of the debate. Are those voting NO only in agreement with those like Lidia Thorpe that want Aboriginal sovereignty and treaty placed before The Voice, and are therefore advocating a NO vote on those grounds.

I decided to vote no when the thing first came up, because it is just plain wrong. It's racist. It's divisive. It's all about power and benefits for a few - and the few sure as Hell are not the poor buggers who really need some help to get them out of the camps, and into education and jobs so that they can get some self respect and dignity.

Albanese is practising politics - the only thing he understands, never having been involved in any other way of life.

ttbn,

You are entitled to your opinion and your vote. The Australian people will decide, and that's as how it should be. Just as I believe Peter Dutton is racists against black people for the way he is advocating a NO vote, I also believe Lidia Thorpe is racists against white people for the way she is advocating a NO vote as well.

If No is the answer of the Australian people, it will be a set back for Aboriginal people, but it wont be the end of their long struggle for recognition.

Are those voting NO only in agreement with those like Lidia Thorpe
Paul1405,
It's the Lydia Thorpe's & Paul1405's who make people see the real picture & therefore vote No !

Indy,

Lidia Thorpe, like you is advocating for a NO vote. I consider Lidia's approach bigoted and racists, in her case against white folk, in your case against black folk. As I've said in the past I don't consider all racists to be haters, but I consider Lidia to be somewhat of a hater.

Most of these "Aboriginal people" are indistinguishable from white Australians, thanks to intermarriage and interbreeding, and generally living the same sorts of lives as the rest of us.

How long will it be before Albanese apes New Zealand and dictates that anyone identifying as aboriginal will have first dibs on surgery, irrespective of the urgency. He is a great admirer of NZ government pro-Maori racism, and equates his abominable Voice with their appalling arrangements.

New Zealand surgeons have been told that they should consider patients' ethnicity when deciding on who should be operated on first!

This extreme racism has been going on since February this year. Priority to Maoris on the grounds they have "historically had unequal access to healthcare".

Maoris and Pacific Islanders are on top of the list for surgery, European New Zealanders, Indians and Chinese are lower down the list.

Under the New Zealand Human Rights Act 1993, there are 13 categories under which people cannot be discriminated against; 3 of these are by "colour", by "race" and "ethnic or national origin". Yet, everybody in New Zealand, except Maoris, is being discriminated against.

That's the 'brave new world' for you, where totalitarian, corporatist politicians - even those who were voted for by less than a third of the voters - feel that they can do as they please, and they will get away with it.
(@therealrukshan/NZ Herald)

Paul is only looking at Lidia Thorpe, he has not heard of Thomas Mayor who wrote the Uluru statement and a book on the Voice. Paul, go back to the link I posted on Thomas Mayor and his links to communism.

ttbn,

I doubt you would have a clue about the history, culture or the conditions for Maori people in Aotearoa today. As for the commentary of someone who goes under the name of Rukshan Fernando on 'TikTok', I'll take that with a grain of salt. BTW the plural of Maori is Maori, not "Maoris" like in sheep and sheep.

These are the voices of the Uluru Statement, that aboriginals are the sovereign people who own Australia, it lands waters and beaches. Always was and always will be, and they have rights to self-determination, independent of Westminster Governments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqbxdtS13Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jzo9u6Hb-g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqbxdtS13Q

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/thomas-mayor-darwin-wharfie-mua-uluru-statement-from-the-heart/13952260

Paul,

What I know or don't know about Maori or Maoris doesn't make any difference to the story, and you don’t say anything about that. Do you think that it is OK for medical attention to be based on race and not on the seriousness and urgency of the condition of individual patients, irrespective of who they are?

ttbn,

"New Zealand surgeons have been told that they should consider patients' ethnicity when deciding on who should be operated on first!"

What has been said, and you failed to mention this is; "A new algorithm used in SOME New Zealand hospitals means Maori and Pacific patients for ELECTIVE SURGERY will be pushed higher on waiting lists than those of other ethnicities." My Capitals 'The Guardian'. That is different from what you are saying. Maori have been excluded for years from proper health services in NZ. I know you don't like personal stories, but I'll tell you one. My wife's mother died of breast cancer in 1969, aged 42, after being push out of a public hospital in NZ, left to be cared for by whanau (family) at home, including my wife who was 19 at the time, while she slowly deteriorated and finally passed away in great pain and suffering. So don't tell me about any health care advantages Maori might enjoy. Like in Australia the gap in all areas is very wide indeed

Hi Paul,
Well, what was done to your wife's mum was wrong.
Certainly wasn't what one might consider fair or dignified.
But turning the situation around 180 degrees and putting one group first above everyone else isn't right either.
Now they are doing to 'everyone else' because of race the same as what was done to your wife's mum all those years ago.

Politicians are stupid.
Bunch of incompetent fools.

Some issues shouldn't be about the political correctness of the day;
- It should just be based on fairness / merit right from the start regardless of what any particular group of voters say or think.

Hi AC,

On reading the article in 'The Guardian', it shows that the original claim made here is a biased beat up, which is far from factual.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/20/new-zealand-starts-giving-priority-to-maori-and-pacific-elective-surgery-patients

Watching the links Jose' posted, they indicate to me, Tom Mayo is presenting a reasonable and moderate argument in favour of The Voice. There is nothing to suggest he is some "raving radical", as some believe. For the Kudos Kid, there's no hint of Communism, but I'm sure he'll find some, somewhere.

Different doesn't mean wrong. Your story might be wrong; certainly if it comes from The Guardian.

Never mind. What happened in the past is in the past and, as with Australia, the present generation can't be held responsible for what past generations did. And, race-based politics is never right.

Hi Paul,
I wasn't talking about 'The Voice' or Thomas Mayo.
I was simply reflecting on the story about your wife's mum, and what ttbn had said about the New Zealand medical policy.

There's many different ways you could create an algorithm to give an end result.
Reading an article linked to the one you added here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/111604620/half-of-mori-and-pasifika-deaths-potentially-avoidable-study-finds

"It found 47.3 per cent of deaths of Pacific people and 53 per cent of Māori were attributed to potentially avoidable causes, such as cancers, heart disease, car crashes and suicide. For non-Māori/Pacific people, it's less than one quarter.

The study authors said the healthcare system needed to recognise and address the role racism played in creating those disparities."

How does racism cause cancers, heart disease, car crashes and suicide?
Maybe these people didn't take good care of their on health?
What is it white peoples fault if Maori's have a higher rate of motor vehicle accidents?
I ask myself why blame other people for the way you feel about yourself, the way you take care of yourself, drink, eat food that's not the best for you.
Make poor choices in your life and headed off a cliff towards suicide.

And is it really fair to give more priority to one group of people to try to equalise the outcome? People should have equal opportunity, but what they choose for themselves after that isn't anyone elses fault.

Lets say we gave indigenous australians double everything.
Double the money, double the support services available, first in line for social housing, extra help with education, everything double, in an effort to raise their life expectancy to that of the general populace, would giving them all these extra things so that they could have 'equality in outcome' be fair?

http://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years

[Cont.]
"During Covid-19 medical professionals in Auckland identified that Māori and Pasifika were disproportionately waiting for surgery compared with other population groups and sought to fix it when operating theatres were back up and running after the 2020 lockdowns."

If that's true then who's racist?
The hospitals are for making them wait longer, and who's to blame for that the government.
- So the government and hospitals / health system are racist, but the average white guy is the one who is hated for it all, when it was always the government who was making the rules.

Yeah I don't know what to think about all this.

You get the life you're given by parents and family.
(And plenty of white people get dealt a crap hand of cards from birth as well)
And the life you make for yourself.

And the Search Foundation is definitely the arse end of Communism. The racist policy, the Voice, is also Communist power and control: nothing to do with blackfellas.

Tweets going back to 2018 have come to light showing a Mayo vision of the Voice that is in direct contrast to Albanese's deceitful (or naive) waffle.

To the other Mayoist demands such things as integration of indigenous lore and revival of indigenous languages are added; and a strange one about "voluntary payments from homeowners" to aborigines.

What happens if there are no 'volunteers'?

Politicians who ignored the indigenous 'advice' would face consequences!

All this was discussed two years before Albanese announced the Voice.

Linda Burney has refused to condemn Mayo's comments.

Wouldn't it be just as fair to not give anyone special treatment, and to build a system for everyone on that basis?

Tell them not to eat too much sugar, as it may give you cancer
Try not to smoke, try not to drink to much alcohol, it's a waste of money for starters and one would be better off eating well and keeping active, for a long healthy life.
Try not to harbour anger, resentment, or hate, lest those feelings will eventually turn inwards on yourself.

No-one can change the past,
Don't let the past destroy your future.
You cant stop time or restart from the beginning.
You always have to keep moving forward, it's all there is.
Try to make good choices when you're young and live a full life so that you can be happy, humble and content when you grow old.

Trying to create 'equality of outcome' with people who drink too much and harbour anger and resentment, well it seems to me the only way to achieve equality of outcome is to constantly give them more stuff, which itself isn't fair on everyone else.

The real answer then, is to give them equal opportunity, and help them make better choices for themselves.
Empower them to do it, empower all the younger people to make smarter choices, (so many going off the rails these days) but don't try to aim for equality of outcome with handouts if you're not going to address the real issues holding back all these people from their true potential.
(Indigenous or otherwise)

ttbn,

I am more inclined to believe the article in 'The Guardian' than some un-sourced diatribe from a right winger in a Rukshan Fernando on 'TikTok'. Then what he says suits your narrative, so you might be more inclined to believe him.

The general state of health among the Maori population is not good, diabetes, heart disease, obesity, alcohol, smoking etc, all associated with lifestyle are the root causes. You find similar heath outcomes with Maori as you do with other indigenous populations. Then poor lifestyle choices are not restricted to indigenous, but seen in white populations among those from low socio-economic backgrounds as well.

Not only is there a heath disadvantage among the poor brought on by a lack of access to health services, there is also an unwillingness among the poor to change. Most of the time that unwillingness is associated with environmental factors, lack of education, poor living conditions etc etc etc.

Paul

Of course you are inclined to believe The Guardian, because that suits your narrative. I accept that.

As an aside, are you aware that the original instigators and owners of The Guardian were slave-owners?

Who do you think caused the reportedly bad health of the Maori? Are the Maori so backward and childish that they have no control over their own health? I don't believe that.

Did some other group of people cause their diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or alcohol-dependence?

You are right: "other indigenous populations" also blame others for their problems, rather than taking care of themselves. The problem is rife in a small minority of Australians.None of them have been denied health care, as I am sure no Maori have been denied health care in New Zealand, which is a modern democracy, with laws and facilities to protect everyone who wants them.

On the other hand, the majority of Australians of aboriginal heritage are as hale and healthy - and as happy and successful - as anyone else. From my time in NZ, and what I see and read now, the majority of Maori are the same. There are Maori in good positions, and in the political class.

Of course, the few who choose a 'traditional' lifestyle, but with all the unhealthy introduced food, alcohol and drugs, in remote areas where there are no jobs, education or services, are pretty hard to help.

AC

Why do you give alcohol a free pass? Most drinkers do it. Don’t smoke, they say; but alcohol is OK if you don't drink 'too much'.

Alcohol is not OK. It wrecks the lives of not just the users of it, but everyone else, boozers and teetotallers alike. Smoking, though unhealthy, does not do this.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug on earth, because it is legal, and it is chic. Most people don't use illegal drugs. Most people in the West use alcohol.

There are now indications that alcohol is about to get the treatment that smoking did: non-alcoholic substitutes, health lectures in the media; celebrities giving interviews on why they stopped drinking.

Not a minute to soon in my opinion. And, when the people making money out of booze start moaning about exports, the economy, and so on: they need to be reminded that our looming loss of income from coal and gas isn't getting any sympathy.

Mayor praises the support the communists give him to establish a black political power.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/webcontent/%E2%80%98transfer-of-power%E2%80%99-voice-has-%E2%80%98very-little%E2%80%99-to-do-with-supporting-indigenous-australians/vi-vT7xw
The Government will probably hide the above track, as they do not want you to hear the agenda of the Voice.

http://nit.com.au/22-10-2022/4146/ex-wharfie-turned-first-nations-rights-advocate-thomas-mayor-takes-voice-campaign-to-australian-geographic

Have a look at all the Utube videos listed here.
http://blog.canberradeclaration.org.au/2023/06/23/communist-sympathies-of-voice-campaigner-thomas-mayo/?fbclid=IwAR2LX41Phxq574KJmz5F_DIJjtDkBPjfetvXlqLCki3Ek3xFEBc0aaasIfI

As Jacinta Price says, the same people who have been in charge of 'helping' aborigines are the same people who want this divisive Voice.

This 'help' is costing us $39.5 billion annually - NOT including welfare payments, other programs, grants, and nonprofits, plus lobby groups.

This is more than is spent on NDIS ($35.5 billion); Medicare ($31.3 billion), and Defence ($38 billion).

Bleating unproven victimhood has proven far more profitable than useful work for Bureaudoids of every heritage !

Yep. Victimhood is power; but only as long as the cowardly political class and the virtue signallers play the game.

Thanks ttbn for the government spending statistics. Kudos.

No mention of the elephant in the room, $52 billion in payments for aged welfare, pensions and care, and growing rapidly. Another $30 billion is need immediately to top up aged care alone.

Yes, $4.5 billion spent on 3% of the population on dodgy programs [showing small capital return] and $52 billion spent on retirement savings and disadvantages spent on 40% of the population [showing health and welfare returns].

CM

The biggest whack is spent exclusively on the mere 3% of Australians claiming some aboriginality; the rest is shared by the other 26 million, with the 3% getting special treatment also getting a share of that as well!

Not satisfied with the unfairness of 3% of the population having exclusive, discriminate access to $39.5 billion, the Albanese government wants the same 3% to have more say in Parliament than the 97% of us.

All Albanese's pre-election promises have been broken, except the one about 'changing Australia'. Even if Albanese (he is a dictator; it's hard to believe that the whole government is so extreme) lasts only another two years, he will have changed (ruined) Australia alright, and the refugees will be leaving here, not coming.

$30 billion is need immediately to top up aged care alone.
Paul1405,
Do you mean to bring retired workers benefits on par with those for self-proclaimed indigenous ?

I saw this earlier on. What is the validity of this if any ? 6000 sounds extremely low to me.

Only sincere replies please, no Paul1405 sarcastic mockery !

Apologies, didn't paste the info in the post before;
According to some survey there were 6000 so-called full blood Indigenous & 850,000 identifying as Indigenous.

Indy,

Not at all surprising that the number of people with a very high level of indigenous blood would be relatively low. Considering the male Europeans penchant for having sexual relations with Aboriginal women, sometimes Aboriginals women were willing, at other times it was a case of rape. Indigenous were not "blessed" with our "Protestant moral virtues". Where children were fathered by a European, the man would quickly abandon both mother and child, and with true Protestant virtue return to his loving European wife, until next time he could let the trouser snake out for a bit of exploration. Children would identify as Aboriginal as there were abandoned by their natural fathers, and brought up in an Aboriginal society. Unless they were part of the 'Stolen Generation' and institutionalised, from where then they could be used as a cheap source of labour, used to serve the white man.

Everyone's a winner, right Indy!

Paul1405,
There's no denying the atrocities & general exploitive manner of the British & with the saturation coverage of these stories, no-one can plead ignorance anymore.
There's also no denying of the good will by most Caucasians (not sure about the British) since but that doesn't get the ABC/SBS coverage of course.
Compensation to Aborigines is the highest to indigenous of any land on earth. That appears to be not worth mentioning for most.

The real Voice for the constitution.
http//www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/that-s-not-democracy-thomas-mayo-wants-a-practical-veto-on-super-policy/ar-AA1d015D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2e0388e2201e4c5c9a8df69d4339047b&ei=10

Latest poll. Only two states with YES majority . Albanese is still confident. Like he was confident that power bills would be $275 cheaper?

Thanks ttbn.

Indyvidual- if Paul1405 said "Good Morning" (not that it's in his lexicon) I'd be checking outside before I agreed- and even then I'd be trying to work out his angle.

I heard it said recently that the Communists use narcisists as shock troops to break their enemies battle lines. Sadly society seems to be their enemy- so it seems that the only way for society to be at peace is to destroy the Communists.

Untying the argument Paul1405 seems to be saying that British- Australian's deserve a collective punishment for the treatment of Aboriginal women by some British-Australian men. As if they didn't benefit from British-Australian's. Were there any cases where Aboriginal men raped British-Australian women??

Whenever two cultures come into contact there will be abuse on both sides- this is an argument for a government of a people by a people for a people- and that multiculturalism doesn't work- people identifying as Aboriginals appear to have massively abused the Australian social welfare system- in a sense the Aboriginals have gone to cultural war against the British-Australian's. To me this is more evidence that we can't live with certain Aboriginals because they only see our actions of good faith as an opportunity to destroy us- we either need to punish their actions or let them have their own space- if we continue to allow them to attack us then we are endorsing their unacceptable anarchistic behavior

1. If Aboriginals want to attack and exploit Australian institutions and laws then they can't be allowed to- and should be deconstructed or excommunicated- despite threatening to commit suicide or otherwise. But violence and self harm within prisons probably needs to be understood better for everyone- but this can be complex. Societies- as Aristotle and others such as Patrick Deneen say- should be ordered to encourage people to find their place within society where they can feel their lives have meaning. But no matter how good society is- some will drop out. Overall British society has been somewhat successful in achieving this objective historically.

2. If Aboriginals want to protect their culture within Australian society they should be able to so long as it doesn't threaten British-Australian's that created and should embody Australian society. The Voice seems to be an attempt to exploit and threaten British- Australian's and other ethnic groups in Australia. Reasonable Aboriginals should perhaps be more outspoken as to excesses within their own community- otherwise other groups may perceive them as being complicit. As they say it doesn't require a great evil but only for the normal to do nothing- for the world to become hell

A diatribe of a delusional, this guy will take his "reds under the beds" absurdity to the extreme and apply it to almost everyone and everything. Its plain to see how unhinged these white supremacists become. Fortunately in our liberal democratic society these people are nothing more than deluded chattering nuisances, banging on with nonsensical fantasies out there on the extreme fringes, fortunately with no power to enact their crazy notions.

From the above its plain to see how this extremist would like to see noncompliance, non white Aboriginals "dealt" with. It would not be pleasant, as they are "deconstructed" and "excommunicated" as a necessary measure.

Its plain to see how unhinged these white supremacists become.
Paul1405,
Not as unhinged as the indoctrinated vengeful non-white supremacists are planning to be !

Based on Paul1405's comments I suspect that he is suffering from "Genocidal Murderous Anglophobia".

He seems to enjoy putting down Anglo people in order to lift himself up- doesn't sound like a sustainable strategy- even if some foolish Anglos sacrifice their own future to baseless guilt- they can only retreat so far. Even if those noisy few cuckolded/ball-less Anglos commit suicide in perceived guilt for Paul1405's accusations- perhaps Paul1405 will find another foolish victim- like "a robber culture".

The British has and continues to have a mutually respectful relationship with the Ghana nation and people because the relationship respects boundaries.

I remember one day a polite young Aboriginal explaining that the prevailing Aboriginal view was that British-Australian's and other races should leave or be killed. A similar view has been expressed by Afro-Americans. In both cases blacks seem to want special treatment based on their cultural identity going against the principle of equality being apparently what multiculturalism is based on. I don't think that blacks want equality with Anglo culture they want advantage over Anglo culture. I think a better solution is to give blacks the separation that they seem to want- the British and Europe in general want to bring more rational principles to their neighbours so they can live in peace- teach them better systems so that they can sustain themselves- rather than "raiding" their neighbours wealth.

All cultures and ethnicities have the right to self determination.

In many cases Anglo-Australian's are in a similar situation economically to Aboriginal's mainly because they don't understand the institutions and cooperate with others in their situation. But at least Anglo-Australian's usually try to better themselves.

One culture is never going to fully understand another culture which is why all cultures need their own institutions so they can manage the community according to their own interest

Thanks Indyvidual. Kudos.

The yes vote has dropped 3% since the last poll; and Albanese's popularity has also dropped by 3%.

For the first time since the election, Albanese has lost the good will of more than 4 out of 10 Australians; and he is only a third of the way into his term.

The (mainly) government-caused inflation has affected the cost of 'welcome to country' performances. An increase of 30% in some cases.

For run of the mill occasions, the cost is $5,000-$7,500. For the opening of Parliament, it is $10,500.

I wonder if Ernie Dingo, the inventor of this bullsh.t in the seventies, is getting royalties.

I think that it should be promoted as the referendum that will make some Australians more equal than others.

Kudos Fester. Yes "The Voice"- tyranny in the name of equality- ridiculously amusing if it wasn't so serious- normal people need to stand up for themselves their family, their children, the future.

make some Australians more equal than others.
Fester,
nothing new on that front except now we have to deal with fakes on top of it.

Abadaba daba said the monkey to the chimp
Abadaba daba replied the chimpy to the monk
All day long they tried chattering away
But they weren't at all happy and gay

'Çause in a zoo is where they belonged
In a zoo they could sing their song
Freely with gusto they could preen and preach
To like-minded animals within their reach

Happy and gay at a zoo they would be
As long as their abadaba could be heard and seen
Abadaba daba is all these poor animals can do
That's why they really belong in a zoo!

My view is that the suggested change to our constitution, to include a section based on race alone, would be unlawful by accepted world standards.
Especially as the 'race' involved is inside the country.
Were it an external racial entity, there might be some justification?
And I still have no idea exactly who wants the change.
I need names and numbers.
And I have yet to hear even one good reason for a change.
And without that, surely we must embrace the status quo, and remain as we are?

On an unrelated matter.
Matthew Doran at the ABC seems not to know how to ask a question.
Instead he makes a speech, which might, or might not, include a question buried in it somewhere.
He is painful to listen to.
Does anyone have any practical idea on how to put him straight?
I should add that other 'presenters' on the ABC are much the same.
Except Sarah Ferguson, who is quick and accurate.
However, she does seem to be a bit shallow sometimes, and appear not to grasp the significance of some subjects under discussion.

Foxy can call us chimps but others can't talk about some others as chimps or apes- double standards. Perhaps Foxy is a chimp. Chimp Empire was interesting- their females leave the tribe when they come of age.

Foxy, did you call the Kudos Kid a chimp? Please don't insult the chimpanzees, its their feeding time. Anyway I can't find any insult by you directed at anyone here, least of all the arch communist the Kudos Kid himself!

Paul1405,
What is in your book more offensive, ignorantly calling inner City dwellers Concrete Jungle Bunnies or deliberately calling an OLO poster a Chimpanzee ?

Indy,

Where has Foxy called another poster a chimpanzee? I asked the question, then I said I couldn't find an insult directed at anyone here. Foxy published a poem, the Kudos Kid posted; "Foxy can call us chimps", but she didn't. Not like YOU who directly called me by name a "concrete jungle bunny" in a reference to me living in a city with Aboriginal heritage, glad you admit you are ignorant.

in a reference to me living in a city with Aboriginal heritage,
Paul1405,
Which City has only Aboriginal heritage people living in it ?

There's a photo doing the rounds right now of several indigenous sitting in front of a Pet shop on the main road into Cairns with one bloke having a leak in full frontal facing the traffic.
I wonder how much of a say this mob will have in the Voice ? I think he might have thought well, if a drugged-up Australian bogan can do that in Bali he can do it on home soil here.

Indy,

"There's a photo doing the rounds" where did you post it? You are so ignorant of the plight of disadvantaged people, not just Aboriginal people, but society in general. WHERE would you be, if we cut you off from your life saver, the taxpayer teat, which YOU have been sucking on for years! I tell ya, you would be in the gutter!

Paul1405,
You really are a handful, can't tell the difference between disadvantage & laziness.
None of the people I referred to in the post are disadvantaged !

WHERE would you be, if we cut you off from your life saver, the taxpayer teat,
Paul1405,
I have worked 52 years & contributed towards that teat to help those before me & now me & I still contribute for those after me !
What do you contribute from your Token & Peter Principal position ?

Paul1405,
Are you employed by the NIAA ?

No I am not employed by NIAA. Who is NIAA? Indy are you employed by WOPO to find out who is employed by their arch enemy the members of NIAA?

Who is NIAA?
Paul1405,
WOW ! That coming from you of all people says just about everything there is to say about you et al !

Indy,

I know who is the NIAA, I was only being flippant with you sad old fella. Then again it could be the National Institute of Alcoholics Anonymous, are you a life member?

Paul1405,
Seeing that our resident copy & paste link expert isn't providing an answer I'll ask you as well. Do you think the NIAA should be disbanded if the Voice succeeds or do you believe in doubling up bureaucracy at massive cost to us all ? Will the NIAA still be relevant ?
Should the Voice be covering all aspects indigenous ?

Indy,

Until we see legislation establishing the workings of The Voice, which is not the function of a referendum, but the responsibility of the Australian parliament to enact laws. If the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice was to perform the same functions as the NIAA, then of course we would not need duplication. However, as The Voice will neither be a law making body, or a money distributing body, but solely an advisory body to parliament and the executive on matters affecting Indigenous Australians then other bodies will retain their functionality.

More of the smoke screen of untruths from the bigoted racists and rednecks, along with the knuckle draggers who can't understand what the purpose of a referendum is, or pretend they can't, this will continue right up to voting day. Been on this forum for many years and have always suspected it has an abundance of racists, but the voice discussions confirms it for me. Most racists don't believe they are racists, just the opposite, as they are not the stereotypical haters generally associated with racism. Indy you are not a racists, are you?

Indy you are not a racists, are you?
Paul1405,
Depends on how you interpret racism. I have no aversion to complexion. I have an aversion to hypocrisy, intentional wrongdoing, twisting historical fact to suit agenda, etc etc and, if I draw attention anyone not of my race than I'm automatically branded racist & not as someone pointing out wrong-doing.
I have been asked many times where my loyalty & allegiance are & I always give the same answer, with integrity & decency & harmony ! No racial implications whatsoever. To some this is racist !
If I draw the same attention of wrong-doing to someone of my complexion I'm not seen as racist. Most non-indigenous I know have not the slightest gripes against Aborigines, they simply get tired of being branded racist when they're not but the moment wrong-doing by an indigenous is drawn attention to, it's blown out of proportions racism !
Do you now see how opportunistic & stupid this race thing is ?