Josephus

#The land councils should be given the same powers as local councils for their tribal areas.#

To a point, but Mundine sees the dangers here, and is objecting loudly, and his main objection is to loss of control from the grass roots level of Land Councils, which the Voice seeks to capture and control.

The Voice poses a big threat to the current autonomy enjoyed now.

The criticism of Mundine, that he has missed out on inclusion into the evolving new Voice order and is spewing sour grapes. I don’t agree with that criticism.
He should be taken seriously!

Bonger 1405. Your objection based on one character is shallow and unjustified.

Land councils deserve a credible place in debates.
The point of the experience of your niece is, land council meetings should be the most important arbiter in determining who is and who isn’t acceptable to qualify for Aboriginal ancestry and inclusion into the tribe.

At the moment, anybody putting up their hand to qualify for benefits derived from Aboriginal ancestry are considered legitimate and rarely questioned: A membership of a Land Council should be mandatory.

Reading comments by young people, they believe the Voice is mere recognition of aboriginal occupation when the settlers arrived 1788. The Voice is actually giving current tribal Groups power to advise governments on their requirements toward self-determination. The educational system is responsible for the young having wrong ideas about the Voice, with idea of recognition of history. The Voice is not about history, it is about the future.

diver dan, you have expressed it well.

DD,

I am not objecting to Wazza Mundine opinion on 'The Voice', they are somewhat legitimate, although there is a well known element of "sour grapes" with Mundine and his treatment by the Labor Party. That I'm sure influences his judgement on the matter to a degree.

BTW; That is my cousin, not niece, 1st cousin in fact, who is Aboriginal.

Jose'

After all the negative lies you have told about aboriginal people on here, failing to even substantiate one of them, I don't believe anything you say. You say; "The Voice will be an expensive set of 24 unelected bureaucrats based in Canberra on taxpayer income". I ask under what legislation has the government said that will be the case? Now Scuttle away again with no reply!

So according to Paul we will have aboriginals' elders coming to the supreme Government in Canberra cap in hand making suggestions at their own expense.

Sorry Paul, it is 20 not 24 as I previousl stated.

Pat Turner, NACCHO chief executive

Ken Wyatt, former Indigenous Australians Minister

Tom Calma, Reconciliation Australia co-chair.

Megan Davis, Uluru Dialogue co-chair.

June Oscar, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner

Noel Pearson, Cape York Institute founder

Marcia Langton, Indigenous Voice Co-design co-chair

Dale Aduis, South Australian First Nations Voice commissioner

Pat Anderson, Uluru Dialogue co-chair

Geraldine Atkinson, First People's Assembly of Victoria co-chair

Marcus Stewart, First People's Assembly of Victoria co-chair

Rodney Dillon, Tasmanian Regional Aboriginal Community Alliance Rodney Dillon

Graeme Gardner, Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre chairman

Sean Gordon, Gingee Group managing director

Jackie Huggins, Queensland Treaty Advancement Committee

Thomas Mayor, From The Heart representative

Dean Parkin, From The Heart representative.

Sally Scales, APY artist

Napau Pedro Stephen, Torres Strait Regional Authority chairman.

Peter Yu, ANU vice president

http://blog.canberradeclaration.org.au/2023/03/25/labor-mps-refuse-to-meet-with-indigenous-leaders-urging-no-on-voice/

Jose,

You lie once more, you claimed; "The Voice will be an expensive set of 24 unelected bureaucrats based in Canberra" there is no appointments to give that effect. There has been no appointments to 'The Voice' by government at this stage. There has been no legislation passed by the parliament. You claimed 24, now 20, prominent peoples names as being appointed to so called positions. All you provide is a link to a radical far right organisation calling itself "The Daily Deceleration" who the bloody hell are they? YOU!

I am going to call out everyone of your lies. You might fool others with your fuzzy Christianity, but you don't fool me.

It is starting to look as though Labor's gravy train is coming off the rails

"An exclusive survey shows that support for the Voice is at 56 per cent in Victoria and 53 per cent in NSW but this is outweighed by powerful swings that could block the reform from gaining the required threshold of a majority of votes in a majority of states.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has rejected calls to amend the Voice proposal before the Senate votes on the question's wording in the referendum bill this fortnight, cementing the plan for a public vote later this year.

The survey, conducted for this masthead by Resolve Strategic, shows that 42 per cent of voters support the Voice and 40 per cent oppose it when asked about the government proposal for change, with another 18 per cent undecided."