What will come after the Voice, if Australians are stupid enough to vote yes to having it wrongly in our Constitution, to be played with by High Court judges?

A Centralised Digital Dollar that will give the government (and possibly other nasties) access to our money - see what we spend it on; control what we spend it on; stop us spending at all if we say or do something the government doesn't like? The last has already been done to Canadian truckies by that country's tyrannical, WEF-influenced Prime Minister.

We have shown how gullible and easily dominated we can be by accepting the Covid lockdowns/shonky vaccine/useless masks outrage; have we learned enough to start standing up to the new Marxism that is threatening us?

$75 Million dollars to have a referendum seemingly to support communist leftism- after the massive losses in the economy and community due seemingly to Communist Leftist Corona policies- children that may never recover from lost education opportunities- (but maybe this isn't a bad thing given the quality of communist leftist education in sponsoring "educational sexual grooming").

We don't seem to be able to trust the Labor Party- lets see what terrors await us over the next 3 years.

We need to sponsor the Anglo British Culture that created Australia- from an unforgiving desert- strength is life/ weakness is death.

CM

This idiotic Voice is another attack on our "Anglo-British" base by a non-British PM, who is taking the opportunity to avenge the 'single-mother-public housing-poor-me' origins that he is always rabbiting on about.

Like all of the Anglosphere countries, including the UK, Australia long ago shot itself in the foot with multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has a lot to do with the decline of Western civilisation.

The media also has a lot to do with the decline of Western civilisation; it's latest lunacy is the declaration that Signor Albanese is one of the world's most influential people.

You might have already discovered ADH.TV in your search for sane media but if you haven't, I strongly recommend it as an antidote to the Marxist tripe. It is the modern version of the Benedict Option.

"...have we learned enough to start standing up to the new Marxism that is threatening us?"

- No of course not, more people are indoctrinated and brainwashed every single day than those who wake up.
And the people who wake up usually go off on a extreme-conspiracy tangent before they level back out.

I don't care what the central banks do, (Central Bank Digital Currencies - CBDC) but I oppose a cashless society.

The last has already been done to Canadian truckies by that country's tyrannical, WEF-influenced Prime Minister.
- And the whole entire west started stealing private Russian citizens assets.
These people think they are a law unto themselves and our leaders are all willing participants trying to get in on the take.

AC

If you don't want a cashless society - as you say you do - you had better start caring about what a central bank could do, and would do. You will have heard of the social credit system in China. That's where the likes of Albanese would take us - in a flash. Even the Coalition didn't say 'no way' as I expected them too.

This stuff has no similarity with Russian funds being frozen, as you seem to be suggesting. That’s normal in their present situation, as it was with Iran (might still be). Not that it has had much effect on Russia or Iran.

Yes, its obviously those nasty Dutch Marxist, Commie, transgender people who are starting with Canadian truckies under the command of Commissar Trudeau. These subversives are working their way across the Pacific and will arrive unannounced in Australia at precisely 2.07PM EST on the 19th. Then they will take to us all, forcing us to vote YES for the Marxist, Commie referendum which will recognise transgenderism in the Australian Constitution. Is that clear to everyone. Act now or you'll be on the cashless debt card faster than Rupert can say; "give me another squillion!"

NO, NO, NO again. ATSIC chapter 2 is possibly coming your way. This idiocy will alter the nation forever, cost billions, make a few smart people and families wealthy, keep the courts clogged for years while the poor old blackfella will still be sitting under a gum tree.

Most of us who were around 57 years ago ( Albanese was only 3 years old) when Henrik Verwoerd, the architect of apartheid in South Africa was assassinated, thought that division by race was over. Now, Australia, one of the loudest objectors to apartheid - boycotting trade and sport with SA, is doing the same thing, to favour a minority at the expense of the majority.

Well, we wouldn’t have such a silly Govt if we had the Democracy they all waffle on about !
Senselessness is reaching new heights on a daily basis !

Everything's been flipped upside down.
Indy's talking about 'democracy' but it's merely just a catch phrase now, to virtue signal against other methods of government.
Take a look at this article but firstly note, isn't the foundation of democracy sovereignty?

E.U. Cries Foul as Poland and Hungary Ban Ukraine Grain Imports
http://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/world/europe/hungary-poland-grain-imports-ukraine.html
>>KYIV, Ukraine — The European Union has criticized bans by Poland and Hungary on imports of Ukrainian grain and other foods over the weekend, saying the unilateral moves were “unacceptable.”<<
- Now the reason why they banned the imports is because it's having a negative impact on their countries, they're just trying to do the best by their own farmers, nation and people.
- But the EU says 'No, that's unacceptable';
- So are these nations sovereign?
- No their vassal states of the EU who itself is a vassal state of Washington.
- So what about all this 'democracy'
- It's all bs.

USAID Administrator Samantha Power Travels to Hungary
http://www.usaid.gov/administrator-power-travels-hungary

"Administrator Samantha Power travels to Budapest, Hungary from February 9-10 to build on the United States’ long-standing partnership with the Hungarian people. USAID recently relaunched its work in several countries in Central Europe, including Hungary, where programs support independent Hungarian partner organizations working to protect the rule of law, strengthen democratic institutions and civil society, and support independent media."

That's all 'newspeak' for "We need to conduct regime change' and get rid of Orban.

Here I'll show you another one, China is an 'autocratic' country, (that means 'bad' by western definition)

China shows US' Blinken who's boss, refuses to let Blinken visit Beijing.
http://youtu.be/JH9A0keMPUQ

You see how in this case 'Autocratic' or 'Not a democracy' actually means that China IS a sovereign country and NOT a vassal state (US lapdog)

The whole world is run like a mafia.
Here's a couple more from Emil -

Russia should pay for Ukraine’s reconstruction. US Yellen. Like US paid for Iraq's?
http://youtu.be/o9ypyILMLN8

Double Standard. The WSJ "spy" is innocent, 15 Russian diplomats are SPIES.
http://youtu.be/tN-4jruWVD8

Don't you all see the hypocrisy in this upside down world?

How the average Joe Blow supposed to make sense of anything in this upside down world?
Watch this one, this is how stupid and brainwashed the average person is.

Woman Spewing Anti-China Propaganda Gets Rude Awakening!
http://youtu.be/vdBXtfjKxM8

Thanks AC,

The shocking bit at the end of the YouTube, American bases around the world, hundreds of them. Don't worry The Kudos Kid will be along soon to quote Arsethrottle, "Its all down to those un-named Marxist Commie Pedos". He's so fond of shooting his mouth off about!

The woman got me; Something about China building ports and infrastructure in other countries, but then the Americans blowing them up. How good is that!

A wonderful display by Lidia Thorpe outside a strip club; foul language, foul behaviour. She is banned forever from the club. She should be banned from parliament.

However, worse than her hideous performances, which are becoming more manic and unhinged, is the fact that Albanese is in lockstep with this woman. He wants the same things she does, just in a different order.

A yes vote for the referendum is a yes to everything in Uluru Statement, which by the way, the Walpiri elders of Uluru were were not involved in.

Thanks ttbn for the tips about adh.tv and The Benedict Option.
Also Armchair for the links.

ttbn said-
This idiotic Voice is another attack on our "Anglo-British" base by a non-British PM, who is taking the opportunity to avenge the 'single-mother-public housing-poor-me' origins that he is always rabbiting on about.

Ans- Yes victim ideology.

ttbn-

Like all of the Anglosphere countries, including the UK, Australia long ago shot itself in the foot with multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has a lot to do with the decline of Western civilisation.

Ans- True according to Bob Whitacker- multiculturalism is code for anti-white. Britain had good relations with Ghana as I understand. But helping African's is different than giving them your house. As The Bible says it's better to teach fishing. Let the countries of the Commonwealth learn from each other, not become each other, not invade each other.

ttbn-
The media also has a lot to do with the decline of Western civilisation; it's latest lunacy is the declaration that Signor Albanese is one of the world's most influential people.

Ans- True- Fourth estate. It says more about who declares- I suppose- than what they declare

Thorpe is advocating a 'NO' vote, by her actions, that After A 'No'to The Voice, What? Those voting NO will make us ALL go to strip clubs and use foul language.

An FOI request has revealed some very nasty information about Albanese's apartheid being put across as a voice for 3% of the population based on RACE.

. Any voice to Parliament should be designed so that it will support and promote a treaty-making process.

. The treaty should include the establishment of a 'truth' commission, reparations, a financial settlement, control of land and water resources, recognition of customary law.

. A direct quote from one of the documents: "Australia got a whole country for nothing, they haven’t even begun to pay for it."

. Abolishing our flag is also mentioned, because the flag 'symbolises the injustice of colonisation'.

Well meaning Australians intending to vote yes to help a mere 20% of the aboriginal population needing help (that the Voice will not provide) do not know what they would be voting for - thanks to the devious and dishonest Anthony Albanese and racist, hate-filled Blakticvists.

Source: 'Fair Australia'. Jacinta Price.

ttbn, just read the same source as you quoted. This is the hidden agenda, Quote- case for No Voice.

"This is what Albo tried to hide.
It’s out and every Australian needs to hear it before voting on the Voice.
The PM keeps saying the Voice is a “modest change” to the Constitution?
The real agenda behind his Voice referendum has finally been revealed.
Secret government documents the National Indigenous Australians Agency was forced to release under freedom of information laws say that “any Voice to Parliament should be designed so that it could support and promote a treaty-making process”

According to these secret documents, it must include a “fixed percentage of Gross National Product. Rates/land tax/royalties”.
The documents explain: a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law…
This a direct quote from the secret Voice documents:
“Australia got a whole country for nothing; they haven’t even begun to pay for it.”

According to these documents, they want to abolish the Australian flag, because “the Australian flag symbolised the injustices of colonization”.
What’s modest about forcing you to change your flag or pay a percentage of the entire economy as reparations?

Just to be super clear, this is how their plan works:
They enshrine the divisive Voice in the Constitution and it’s there forever.
The Voice forces Australians into a “treaty”.
The treaty means Australians pay a percentage of the GDP – that is, a percentage of the entire nation’s economy – to the Voice … every year.
On top of that, Australians are forced to pay “rates/land tax/royalties” to the Voice.
This is why Albo wants you to think you’re voting on a “modest” change.
Because when Australians find out the truth, there’s no way they’d support it, let alone enshrine it in their Constitution forever.

Warren Mundine, President of 'Recognise a Better Way' and Officer of the Order of Australia, is a Bundjalung/Gumbaynggirr/Yuin man, a successful businessman, and a fine example of what a aboriginal Australians can achieve without exploiting racism.

Mundine's solution for aboriginal success is "ECONOMIC PARTICIPATION", not some divisive, politically motivated Voice crap. He reminds us that indigenous Australians have received land rights and native title; their history and cultures are recognised and taught in schools.

Some aborigines still live in poverty, but the Voice would not do a thing to help them, according to this decent and accomplished man, who has advised Prime Ministers in his time. Malcolm Turnbull dispensed with his services because Mundine wasn't a Leftist.

Who are we going to listen to? Actual aboriginal people like Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price, plus many traditional elders? Or are we going to fall for the cynical tricks of self-serving, politically motivated pieces of work like Anthony Albanese and his Blaktivist mates?

Giving elite indigenous Australians the unique right to affect government policy and actions by allowing them to appeal directly to parliament as well as the executive government creates two classes of citizens where one has more power and special privilege based on the colour of their skin and ancestry.

Besides, 80% of Australians with an aboriginal background have helped themselves and are part of the mainstream economy and culture. These are the people who could be approached to tell the remaining 20% who have yet to make it how it is done. They won't be helped by another political failure any more than they have been helped in the past by all the other political failures.

Josephus

Good for you. There is a lot of information available that will never appear in the MSM.

Josephus and ttbn
Might one of you post a link to these 'secret released documents' please?
- I'm keen to have a read.

ttbn, since you know so much about Warren Mundine, fill us in.

Wazza Mundine, he didn't have a problem playing the race card and flaunting his "blackness" when he was in pre-selection contests within the Labor Party, and banging on about more black representation, his I assume. Failing to secure endorsement for a safe Labor seat, Mundine resigned and joined the Liberal Party, hasn't had much political luck there either. Given his disappointing outcomes with Labor, Wazza feels he can have better lick in the Liberal camp.

AC

The Price site is fairaustralia.com.au. However, I don't know what you will get from it, as the information was emailed to me. I am not a regular user of the site itself.

Speaking of Jacinta Price, she is now the shadow aboriginal affairs minister in place of Leeser, who has resigned from the front bench to wage a war against his own party on the Voice! How weak is the Liberal Party for not kicking the rat out. He can believe in the Voice if he so chooses, but he should be doing it as an independent.

If he was in the Labor Party and went against Party policy they would get rid of him quick smart. Dutton must like being walked over.

Well another LIBERAL bites the dust! This time its Karen Andrews a 'YES' vote supporter for The Voice. The Dud had nothing to begin with, now he's got even less.

The 'Advance' mob from the extreme fringe of politics, are pushing a far right agenda. They have adopted their version of Trumpism and adapted it to Australia.

Hi ttbn and Josephus,
Thanks for the info ttbn,
I googled and found some info regarding some '11 point plan' note left at a cafe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11897017/Pauline-Hanson-receives-letter-detailing-11-point-secret-agenda-Voice.html

Is this what you were referring to?

AC

No. As I said, I received the information I posted via an email from 'Fair Australia'. The list you refer to was given to Pauline Hanson by someone who found it in a cafe, I believe. That was also pretty damning - all denied of course; but the whole Voice caboodle is riddled with denials, lies and refusals to answer perfectly reasonable questions. Albanese has made an appalling hash of the whole thing. The Voice is as shonky as the man himself.h

Hi ttbn,
Thanks for clarifying.
I wouldn't be at all surprised (if) they are trying to sell the benefits now and later we'll see on the ugly parts of their plans once foolish Aussies have already been coaxed into supporting it.
I've been somewhat suspicious of this whole thing from the start.
I'm not exactly sure what to make of it all.

AC

Only you can decide what to make of it. But, if you don't get it, don't vote for it. The mad media is coming up with fanciful stories about people 'saying' how they will vote, but it is all BS like just about everything the media blurts out. The media knows squat.

The rubbish about people who vote NO being called 'racists' is made up by the YES camp who want you to vote yes. Nobody is going to call anyone 'racist' because they don't know how individuals vote. Who gives a toss about being called a 'racist' these days anyway? The only thing that can be called racist is the Voice itself.

Just noticed (not read yet) an article titled 'One-term Albo a virtue signalling fraud'.

One can hope (about the one term). For me, it is embarrassing that Australia has thrown up such a PM.

josephus,
Like your previous claims that the voice would be able to veto legislation, these new claims don't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny. The voice will have no power to force Australians into anything.

Go to the NIAA site and read the Closing the Gap.
http://www.niaa.gov.au/indigenous-affairs/closing-gap
Quote:
"The Government has committed to work in partnership with Indigenous Australians, recognising that the only way to close the gap is when Indigenous Australians OWN, commit to and drive the outcomes sought, ALONGSIDE all governments.

The National Agreement pushes all parties to deliver on ambitious outcomes and a new way of working in PARTNERSHIP.

On 13 February 2023, the Albanese Government released its first Closing the Gap Implementation Plan (2023 Implementation Plan), led by the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians, the Hon Linda Burney MP. The Implementation Plan responds to the Commonwealth Closing the Gap Annual Report 2022, released on 30 November 2022, and outlines the Commonwealth’s strategic priorities and efforts to close the gap over the next 12 to 18 months."

Note it says. "Partnership with the Government,"

Here is the 10 year plan.

http://www.niaa.gov.au/ctg-actions
This means their race has self-determination by unelected / selected elite representatives in Government.

This means there are a selected few who have self-government powers alongside the Australian elected Government over a race of people within Australia and receive funding from Citizen taxpayers. That is why we are being continually told we are on aboriginal land. It is part of the adjustment program for aboriginal ownership of the land and self-determination by an elite group of aboriginals.

I have now read the above-mentioned article, the mains points of which are:-

. The Voice is wrong in principle and it would be disastrous in practice.

. The Prime Minister is trying to stampede us to vote “yes” based on the vibe.

. Albanese is frogmarching Australians into doing this – without a convention and without a debate.

The Voice is about "separatism", a polite word for apartheid.

In 2020, there were 3,273 registered aboriginal corporations delivering health and other services, and making representations to government. (IPA)

I see many persons are taken in by 'scams' each year in Australia.
That worries me.
It seems education is not teaching these persons to reason.
I see 'the voice' as a scam being perpetrated by interested parties.
Will voters be able to see it for what it is?

It is said a governments response would be 'voluntary', and the voice would have no 'force'.
But can you see a court saying: the people passed this law. There must be an implied 'proviso'; an expectation that a government must act on it?
I truly hope voters will wake up in time.

Ipso

It's definitely a scam. Lawyers, including those for a Voice, have pointed out that Albanese and his followers are lying. The whole thing is based on the big lie that aboriginal Australians don't have a voice - they do, and they gave always had one, just like everyone else. Whether enough voters see through the scam only time will tell. If they don't see through it, God help Australia.

Ron Pike in 'Blunt Truths from an Old Bushie', (Quadrant Online today) is "tired of and bristling at" demands that he vote yes to the Voice.

Ron, the old bushy, grew up, played sport with, and worked with aboriginal men in rural Queensland, where skin colour didn't matter, and everyone worked for "our" country. None of his mates would ever be arrogant enough to 'welcome' him to his own country.

When Europeans arrived here in 1788, the continent was barely able to support half a million people. Now, Australia supports 25 million people, and feeds another 60 million overseas.

Ron reckons that aboriginal activists should stop "baying", that their tenure on our land was "negative". They might even reach out to "our mob" and say thank you. Thanks for:

. showing them the way out of the most "hidebound, violent and atrophied culture on earth".

. for education and the things it provides.

. health and medical facilities

. housing a food.

Aborigines owe us a debt, and "seeking further representation in Parliament is not the way to balance the books."

No mention of the Blakticvists' pet poodle, Anthony Albanese

Ipso Fatso & ttbn,
Australians of today inherited whatever is out there. Their parents have compensated past generations & have compensated the indigenous. Today’s non-indigenous are now compensating the indigenous plus a much, much larger number of people claiming indigenous heritage which really is not indigenous at all, it is small part indigenous. In most such cases the indigenous heritage is a many times lesser proportion than what they claim & it’s those people who are pushing for the VOICE as their hope is that it becomes a great new Gravy train for them. Never mind that the real needy indigenous will miss out again as they did with previous generations of Labor bureaudroids !

I know that indigenous were not treated fairly when foreigners arrived.
They need to learn to accept things for what they are, try to make the best life they can for themselves and their families (present and future) and not be filled with resentment or allow the past to destroy their future.
- That said, it's probably easier said than done.

Het ttbn,
- From your earlier comment
"If you don't want a cashless society - as you say you do - you had better start caring about what a central bank could do, and would do. You will have heard of the social credit system in China. That's where the likes of Albanese would take us - in a flash. Even the Coalition didn't say 'no way' as I expected them too.
This stuff has no similarity with Russian funds being frozen, as you seem to be suggesting. That’s normal in their present situation, as it was with Iran (might still be). Not that it has had much effect on Russia or Iran."

Both sides are bipartisan? no big surprise I guess - 2 wings of the some bird.
- 'Democracy' my left foot, the whole systems rigged, probably how it always was and always will be.

...Well, the US sanctions have caused de-dollarisation, and on the one hand I'm sick of US politicians doing whatever they want wherever they want all over the globe for the sake of western hegemony.
- The world would be a better place if all that stopped.
But on the other hand - the death of the dollar may just bring forth a new era in monetary systems, which could very well be central bank digital currencies.

- Out of the frypan and into the fire we shall go.

Natives were treated fairly by authorities; there were written instructions that they were to be treated fairly, that any wrongs done to them would be dealt with in the same way wrongs to settlers would be dealt with. There was no official campaign against indigenous people. Some individuals did the wrong thing, just as they do today.

It has only been recent history that part caste aboriginals have included the concept of "ownership" into aboriginal language. Since the idea of welcome to country has come into vogue and Australia has identified tribal lands, it has been taught as evidence we have invaded with British culture.

With the rise of multiculturalism and non-western refugees the influences are growing stronger to overthrow English colonialism and install an aboriginal Government for aboriginal affairs and administration of the NIAA budget currently at $4.5 Billion p/a.

Closing the Gap is a NIAA document written by an elite group of people who envisage a fully aboriginal Administration to manage the land and give priority services to aboriginals. The Voice to the current executive Government is the first step to influencing the executive toward self-government by aboriginals.

Currently it is seen as two nations within the country as demonstrated by the flags, and a lead to an aboriginal Republic by stealth.

Ray Illingworth,Lidia Thorpe's white father, says that she is an anti-white racist who doesn't recognise her white side, which was convict. Figures!

How stupid are those who endorse a git like Thorpe ?

With her lighter than my complexion I’d imagine her mother to be part Indigenous also.

Like some Nazi applying the aryan test to prove no Jew blood. A racists git tries to apply the "whiteness" test to people of colour. LT is doing a great job for the 'YES' vote....by radicalising the 'NO' vote. What a strange bunch of bedfellows she has attracted on the Forum.

Paul,

There you are again with your Nazi fetish.

More people are coming to their senses:

"Support for the Indigenous voice to parliament is softening but still holds a lead over the no vote, new polling suggests. A Roy Morgan poll conducted between Friday, April 14 and Tuesday, April 18 found 46 per cent of Australians were in favour of the voice, down seven percentage points from the pollster’s December results. The no vote has galvanised in that time, with 39 per cent of respondents opposing the voice, up 9 percentage points from December."

A former Supreme Court judge predicts the Indigenous voice will paralyse the Australian parliament and "in many cases, the approval of the advisory body will have to be obtained before a bill can be enacted".

Nicholas Hasluck KC, who retired from the West Australian Supreme Court in 2010, describes the proposal to entrench the Indigenous voice in the constitution as contrary to democratic ideals.

SM,

The blokes a hard right Liberal big time. If only you had 'Pig Iron Bob' to rant his old time racism. Dutton is hopeless.

Peter Dutton outperforms the Bandit every time and can see the future if the Greens get their way. Australia would be a third world aboriginal republic with cultural conflict with an agenda to then sell out to Chinese communism. Their idea is to destroy capitalism and freedom of people and markets, as outlined by Jim Chalmers in his essay, and governments take control. Government should be there to serve the will of the people and not dictate their will over people. Covid was a trial run of people control.

It is not politicians, ex judges or the Solicitor General who will make the decision as to whether Australia is even more divided than it already is by the racist Voice. All the legal opinions in the world mean nothing. I, for one, made up my mind when the crackpot idea was first mooted. Nothing heard since from either side has changed that opinion. There are millions of people who are thinking the same way - it is a bad idea (or not). End of story.

I don't need either Jacinta Price or Anthony Albanese to tell me what is right and what is wrong. There are 17 million plus voters out there who are capable of making up their own minds. Nothing special about me. The result will probably be close - as is voting on most things in a democracy.

So, the ongoing "debate" among a few of the political class and those who think they are special is a waste of time. Australians will either wreck the Constitution for ever, or they will continue to protect the Constitution as they have done in the past. And they will not be motivated by silly people calling them silly names.6

As for Peter Dutton - just another politician who will get one vote on the Voice the same as the rest of us - he left the decision to oppose the Voice too long, and further exposed the train wreck that the Liberal Party has become, with several of the members who are only in the job because they stood as Liberals intending to stab him in the back and vote for the Voice - even campaign for it! The Liberal Party is its own worst enemy, and it can no longer be relied upon to deliver us from the Socialism that it is now part of, and has been part of since the Wets and Malcolm Turnbull sabotaged the party.

It is up to us, the people, to take our country back. And we can't do that by voting for the Liberals or Green Labor.

Dutton said in a recent TV interview, "the tide will turn"; but that is just wishful thinking for his version of the Liberal Party - which is nothing like the Menzies/Howard version that was so successful.

Some pundits are already predicting that the Liberals will be in the wilderness for 20 years.

The Australian mainland is now bright red, and Tasmania is sure to follow: not because the Socialists are any good, but because the Liberals have gone bad - listening to the absurd idea that they have gone too far to the right, when the opposite is true, as has been shown by the mass exodus of Conservatives.

Another silly statement of Dutton’s was, "at least we are united". Except for the likes of Julian Lesser, Birmingham, and others who would be better off in Labor, the Teals or the Greens.

The Liberal Party has been "hollowed out".

Sorry, Josephus and others who are still loyal to a party that doesn't really exist any more. The Liberals cannot help themselves. Let alone Australians and Australia.

I’d like to see a referendum on immigration as of today. Labor’s vote buying via immigrants is not giving us the immigrants who would help this Nation to steer away from the present course towards third world status.
Not even during the much maligned Covid lock-downs did ordinary Australians do it as tough as under Labor now !
Just look at housing & its insane un-affordability now courtesy of this Govt & RBA.

As it becomes clearer as to the damage Albozo's Voice will do, the yes vote looks less and less likely.

Paul1405,
Your childish quip re whiteness of people makes me wonder how just one tiny bit of pigment makes the likes of you claim to be Aboriginal of Australian stock when it is so clear to see they’re more of anything but Aborigine ?
Are you certain such claims have nothing to do with the butter on the profitable side of the toast of hypocrisy ?

Shadow minister,
Don’t get too confident, there are an awful lot of hangers-on who are praying for the YES vote but not because they want to help the real indigenous !

Indy,

You like to doubt people based on their skin colour,claiming "whiteness" prevents them from being Aboriginal. Bigots and haters will do that.

Note exactly what the Voice is about - it is about racial preference as evidence from the discussion here. It is a grab for power and influence over government decisions by an unelected group of elite founders of the Closing the Gap agenda.

Indy,

Bigots and racists like Paul just see the biggest gravy train ever to come to Australia.

Perhaps the easiest way to deal with this pilfering attitude is to allow every person in the country to self-identify as aboriginal as there must be some common ancestor 1000 generations ago.

After a "Yes" vote to the voice what?

Well another advisory group makes representations to parliament about issues that effect them. Just like the dozens of lobbyists do on an almost daily basis now. The politicians in charge decide whether to take that advice and act upon it, or ignore it. It may be a loud 'Voice' and the politicians will rightly so, need to explain why they have decided to ignore that advice. But it's that simple. End of story.

The highest legal advice in the land advises that the establishment of another advisory group (i.e. lobbyist) will not clog up the high court, yet certain people don't want to hear that advice.

So here we have a bunch of scared (mostly old white men) in hysterics. For some reason I can't figure out, they claim the sky is going to fall in, the communists will take over, and that old foible "left-wing Marxist agenda" will ensure that all men will have to be neutered and turned into 'trannies'. Good grief, no wonder I try to avoid reading the crap espoused by these idiots.

Aries54, you do not need a constitution to form a lobby government, there are already over 250 aboriginal lobby groups. Read the NIAA Closing the Gap document which has a 10-year program - the Voice is just the beginning. It includes co-government of aboriginal affairs, truth telling, repatriations, control of lands, waterways, beaches, royalties, and rents. The theme is the British got a continent for nothing and it must now recognize this and pay for it. This is a deliberate agenda to overthrow the rights of non-indigenous Australians.

"Good grief, no wonder I try to avoid reading the crap espoused by these idiots", shrieks Arse54. He obviously doesn't try very hard, or he would not be commenting on what he regards as "crap".

A VOICE will not magically bring the sense that is needed to run a functional society with a common good in mind.
There are simply too many Paul1404’s & Aries 54’s who will never be convinced that harmony is the most vital ingredient .

Posted by Aries54- So here we have a bunch of scared (mostly old white men) in hysterics. For some reason I can't figure out, they claim the sky is going to fall in, the communists will take over, and that old foible "left-wing Marxist agenda" will ensure that all men will have to be neutered and turned into 'trannies'. Good grief, no wonder I try to avoid reading the crap espoused by these idiots.

Answer- I suppose if others don't think they need old white men's help then next time they ask- we'll just say that you can work it out yourself. Old white men have created a pretty good world. Women for example live longer lives because men work till they're old. Women should perhaps the same retirement age as men. Women still complain that they don't get the same pay as men even though men work longer hours than women. It seems that the medical system is prejudiced against men because women live longer on average. At least if the men are willing to bare the burden women could show more appreciation. Old white men from the West are some of the most generous on Earth. When there is a problem who is it that comes to the rescue "Old White Men". You don't need us- don't call us. I don't think there were many feminists when Ukraine was evacuated.

Many women appear to have betrayed their nation their families their children their parents in the adoption of an ideology designed to destroy them.

Communists are some of the biggest bigots. They killed 100 million in the name of equality.

I don't think that it is coincidence that the best places to live were built up and run by the now 'old' white men, with with the support of white women; fought for by white men, while white women 'kept the home fires burning'.

Can anyone name a non-white country, apart from Japan, that has it as good as we do in Australia, New Zealand, the UK, North America and Europe?

What would the continent that is now Australia look like if white men and women hadn't come here?

Why do non-white people want to migrate to white countries? They don't seem to have any trouble accepting the ready-made advantages provided by white people; nor do they rubbish white people like a few, miserable loser-whites rubbish their fellow whites, most of whom are not mental cases like they are. People like ARSE 54, and a few others who should really spend some time in the world’s s..tholes where there are no whites to blame for the shite lives lived there.

F Aires54,

Your ignorance of the issues is almost complete. If the voice was simply "Well another advisory group makes representations to parliament about issues that affect them. Just like the dozens of lobbyists do on an almost daily basis now." Then there wouldn't be the backlash from conservatives.

If an ex-high-court judge says that the proposed legislation could very well give activists the ability to challenge every piece of legislation and even regulations, then the "voice" becomes a veto at every stage of government

SM,

High Court judge? Hummm, which one, maybe its that Liberal toady from WA, you were referring to recently, he wasn't a HC judge. That's right you're a Hight Court judge yourself, claiming to be a "man of legal letters" and all that.

BTW, why the capital 'F' before Aries in the guys 'nick'. We know what it means don't we.

Pauliar,

I see that you are being a LIAR and a FRAUD again. High court judges are not known for making partisan statements.

As for the "F" I am almost certain that you are clueless.

P.S. have you been allowed near schools?

SM,

Your claim about a HC judge opposing the Voice is a lie. In fact ex HC Judge Kennith Hayne's has backed the proposal as not being a legal problem.

Not all High Court Judges are Labor Stooges.
"Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue’s written opinion, PUBLISHED ON FRIDAY, was proclaimed by Labor and Voice advocates as further confirmation the Constitutional change was legally sound, but it failed to allay the concerns of the Coalition which demanded the full legal advice provided to cabinet be released." dated 17/04/23.

Particulary written as a political opinion to support Labor's yes, other High Court solicitors say unless the Voice has access to the High Court the Voice is useless.

http://www.afr.com/politics/federal/the-high-court-judges-split-over-the-voice-20230227-p5cnzq

Former High Court judges have emerged as valuable currency in the debate over the Indigenous Voice to parliament.

The current score is two for and one against – at least when it comes to the current wording for the referendum and whether it will lead to “a decade of litigation”.

And the interpretation of lawyer Frank Brennan – then former chief justice Murray Gleeson (1998-2008) might also be concerned about it being more than an advisory Voice to Parliament.

It will have its own section in the Constitution and that fact means it is up to the High Court to interpret it in any cases of dispute. It is more than just recognition of aboriginals in the Constitution.

Pauliar,

It's not a lie. Not the same judge. Idiot.

SM,

Name the ex HC Judge you claim said the Voice will end up in litigation before the court. You made it up, you are full of it.

Guys take care debating with people like Paul1405. Communist principles don't really care about people they care about power- examples in hebrew author Saul Alinsky's book- the argument is not the argument- not the point. The argument used to distract enemies from the real issue. Take your time- read a couple of times- then compile your response. Paul1405 doesn't care about the issue- he cares about the meta issues. It's pointless to argue with people like Paul1405- you lose as you engage- that doesn't mean you don't comment on what they say. Like prompting the enemy to attack your shock troops and then flanking them with your veterans. Communists don't engage in honest debate as far as I can see. In the TV Series "Suits" Harvey Spector says "play the man not the game".

They often play a pretty tight game but cover it by acting and saying ridiculous things. As they say there are those that agree with you, those that don't, and those silent in the middle. The silent are the ones you need to convince- but it's hard to know what they believe- because they don't say much- there's a dynamic.

In a sense Communist political tactics are similar to "move and cover" tactics of the military. Perhaps this is why Mao was successful in both domains.

Many people don't trust themselves in powerful positions because they are self reflective and conscientious- Communists don't seem to have this caution and in this sense are perhaps sociopathic- they seem to believe that they should get power first and then work out how to use it responsibly later. This is one reason perhaps that traditionalism is in a sense a superior ideology- but one needs to be aware of deception. As Nietzsche says- The Roman "knightly code" can be honest and the "priestly code" can be deceptive.

Some have explained hebrew writer Asimov's Psycho-History levels of civilization in terms of stages from animus to systemic- multi-perspectivism. Perhaps this represents how the sociopathic priestly code can be encapsulated within the genuine knightly code.

Nietzsche apparently felt that the codification of Christianity originated in the conflict between Middle Eastern Hebrew and European Roman cultures. You could argue that the Roman's won the physical conflict but lost the ideological to the Hebrew created code. But over time the European's "owned" Christianity so in a sense the Christian code is perhaps a combination of the Roman knightly and ideologically (but not ethnically) Hebrew created Christian priestly codes.

Blindly supporting the YES is like handing over a signed open cheque & wilfully condemning people on the lower economic scale to an existence of no hope for improvement.
Just take note of the people pushing it for their agenda.

CM

Bravo! Although I don't think there is any 'debating' on OLO; a lot of disagreement, snapping and snarling - and that's it. My prescription for dealing with ignoramuses is, increasingly, to ignore them: i.e people like the wankerdoodle you refer to. Cheers for the communist reference, which is most appropriate - communism is always with us, in various guises including the Green Party and its adherents.

Fortunately, we now only have this one real idiot on OLO - plus a few cameo appearances from SteeleRedux - who can be silenced simply by being ignored.

Jerks need an audience. We don't have to provide them with one.

After a Yes vote there’ll be a huge waste of Tax Dollars such as has never been seen before & the same types of incompetent hangers-on & bureaudroids will steer this Nation towards Civil War !

Village idiot,

Look it up for yourself. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you.

You still haven't shown a skerrick of evidence that there was a paedophile PM.

Thanks Indyvidual and ttbn.

Posted by Indyvidual-
Blindly supporting the YES is like handing over a signed open cheque & wilfully condemning people on the lower economic scale to an existence of no hope for improvement.
Just take note of the people pushing it for their agenda.

Answer- Yes. Teach to fish not give a fish.

Posted by ttbn
Bravo! Although I don't think there is any 'debating' on OLO; a lot of disagreement, snapping and snarling - and that's it. ... Cheers for the communist reference, which is most appropriate - communism is always with us, in various guises including the Green Party and its adherents.

Answer- Thanks ttbn.

Unfortunately this nondescript little forum has degenerated into an echo chamber of name calling and insult from a handful of delusional old men. This is self evident from the above few posts from ttbn, CM and SM.

The inconsistent attitude of the Moderator Graham Young is obvious, maybe he's given up on his own forum, as its had its life, and now's the time to abandon the sand pit for good.

Paul1405,
Graham Young has been exceptionally tolerant particularly with you. Those disillusioned old me you so despise simply are expressing views which go over your head because of your lack of sense for humanity.
Because you have only ever been a recipient, being a giver is a foreign concept to you. Demanding rather than contributing is what causes so much grief. You are against finding & achieving solutions for the good of all because pedalling feigned victimhood enables you to prolong the division that satisfies your warped view because of your indoctrinated racism.
As long as there are people with your mentality, harmony will remain unachievable.

Paul,

Clearly, you consider yourself a delusional old man as one of the major insulters on this site. You need help.

Not having all the facts about something can lead to many different 'opinions'.
So instead of squabbling, why not get together and seek the truth about the matter?
Then your 'opinions' are likely to coincide?
Then you won't squabble?
Seems like a win-win to me.
Or is 'squabbling' your lifeblood?

Chief Commissioner Terence Cole has condemned the voice as racist.

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/wrong-in-principle-top-jurist-the-latest-leader-to-slam-voice-to-parliament/news-story/1a45c6ae857b82595fb01fb112f565bc

He is just telling us what we already know, or should know.

Why do so many people need to be told what to think by some high poobah who has no better handle on right and wrong, common decency, than they themselves do.

Any decent,right-minded person knew that the Voice was morally wrong from the moment Albanese started whining about it. No 'details' will ever make it right. Separation of people by race - apartheid - doesn't need any lawyer to say it is wrong. Common-sense and decency is all that is needed. And, it is clear that neither attribute is common in Australia any more. Australia is rooted.

The VOICE is nothing more than the result of Academics, Bureaucrats & a host of other hangers-on who got a whiff of a new Cash Cow waiting to get into the paddock !

Albanese is delusional, he in a press conference today stated once the Voice is in the constitution aboriginals will be able to share in Australia like the rest of us. This is absolute nonsense as aboriginals and Torris Straight Irelanders already have advantages over every other Australian in health, welfare, and education.

Albanese is not delusional: he is a very dangerous man who will bring this country down, even if he gets only one go at it. Serves us right of course, with our idiotic voting system that allows thugs with less than a third of the primary vote to form a government.

We also force disinterested halfwits to vote. That, combined with preferential voting , makes us look like Toytown internationally.

Jose'

"Aboriginals and Torris (well?) Straight Irelanders (people from somewhere near Scotland) already have advantages over every other Australian in health, welfare, and education." Its just that the outcomes are sh!thouse, and have been for the past 235 years, time to try something different.

absolute nonsense as aboriginals and Torris Straight Irelanders already have advantages over every other Australian in health, welfare, and education.
Josephus’
I presume you mean Aborigines & Torres Strait Islanders. Anyhow, it is indisputable that they have many advantages but many still don’t acknowledge them.
Schooling is also something Caucasian Residents & Citizens do not get provided to the same degree. Most working Australians would be amazed to find out how much travel is also provided.
The outlays still do not justify the results ! In this field PNG nationals are worlds ahead.

The great lie about Aboriginal Australians is perpetuated by these forum racists and bigots, the so called "free ride". Is your hatred so great for Black Australia, and your jealousy so profound, that you will go to any lengths to denigrate innocent people.

I have an idea, why don't you get out there and see the truth for yourselves. Is that asking too much?

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/voices/culture/article/2016/12/07/heres-truth-about-free-ride-some-australians-think-indigenous-peoples-get

Kudos ttbn, Josephus, Indyvidual, shadowminister. Aboriginals should get the same as other Australian's or they can live on their reservation.

Planet Zog calling Earth, come in Earth, its your friendly nut job, The Kudos Kid calling, with yet another instalment of dribble for your consumption! "ITS THE COMMUNISTS DOING IT, YES ITS THE COMMUNISTS RUNNING YOUR PLANET, SAVE YOURSELVES!

Hummmm, these days some people are off the planet.

Paul, you are not informed what benefits aboriginals already have over every other citizen. When I was in hospital recently, I was asked if I had aboriginality, if so, there were extra benefits I could access.

Paul1405,
There are lies everywhere however, the greatest lies are the ones being invented by those who weren’t there yet bleat victim now.
To dispute the enormous effort & funding towards the Aborigines over the years is as bad as lying. The descendants of the invaders have more than compensated the descendants of those who had their roaming grounds taken over. The stolen Generations were in most cases saved generations but that’s not what the racists want to hear.
You wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for a descendant of an invader. It really doesn’t help living in a past you never had a part in !

Hi Indy,

"To dispute the enormous effort & funding towards the Aborigines over the years is as bad as lying" I don't dispute that, since the days of your much hated Gough Whitlam, government has believed in three things. One, its an "Aboriginal problem", wrong its a European problem foisted onto Aboriginal people. Two, the European knows best, and can solve the problem, wrong Aboriginal people know best and they are best equipped to deal with the settler imposed problem. Three, money will solve the problem, wrong, until you recognise the first two, money will be wrongly directed and fail to cure the very problem government hoped it would. Too much time, money and effort, has been wasted over the past 50 years in trying to treat the symptoms, and not realising what the root causes are, and how to treat them!

p/s, Prior to Whitlam, the "Dutton's" of government had Aboriginal people living under sheets of rusted iron on river banks outside of towns, out of sight, out of mind, so don't give me that BS of how well we have treated Aboriginal people, first by neglect and genocide, and then by 50 years of misdirection. One thing Prof Marica Langton said, which I have to agree with, she said something like this; "The remarkable thing about us Aboriginal people is that after all these years of European settlement, we are still here."

Paul1405,
What so many fail to consider when arguing the subject of the taking over of this country is the context of the times.
Both, those who were sent here & those who were here were superstitious, simple humans with no concept of the manipulation of them by their respective leaders. Superstition ruled their daily lives besides trying to get a feed off the land.
Anyone who thinks today’s descendants of them are the same better think again & then a lot more. The only reason why many are now deemed or rather seen as successful is simply due to the fact that interbreeding, education & greatly improved health & better general living standards & condition provided by colonisation & the ever increasing good will of society.
Sadly, those who literally have it too good are now jeopardising the future of all. The one thing that needs to be accepted that throughout history, present & for a long time yet into the future too many still will fail to see wrongdoing in the context of the conditions & mindset of the prevailing era. The recent & present indoctrination by those who will never see is ample proof !

Hi Indy,

You seem to be arguing that the past is the past, and has no relevance to today, to do that is to deny history and its relevance to how it has brought us to our present situation. The three things which I find necessary in the overall debate is; One, recognition of the past, Two, understanding the problems of today, and Three, finding future solutions to those problems. I will vote 'YES' to the Voice, not because I think it is a panacea for all ills besetting Australia in regards to our first peoples, not only because it is the right thing to do, also because it offers a new direction and hope that things can be improved for all Australians, black and white.

p/s, Hopefully the majority of Australians, in the majority of states will also see it that way. But nothing is certain, I am not fooled by the Dutton's and the Cow Cocky's and their red necked opposition.

Paul1405,
You’re as good at twisting words as you’re bad at being decent. We must acknowledge the Past & that has been done for a very long time. In fact, it’s been written, verbally continued & perpetually paid for since it began. What you want is for your part forebears & society in general to continually compensate you what you’ve never had. You have been compensated more than any other group in the history of Mankind for loss of roaming grounds & you now have better living conditions than most. The fact that you demand facilities, commodities & lots of money despite the fact that these were never taken off you because you never had them in the first place speaks volumes for your lack of integrity.
I acknowledge the original inhabitants of this Nation & I acknowledge that colonialisation has heaped more good than bad upon them since 1770. The present wish list is proof of that ! At least I haven’t as yet heard of demands which do not involve Colonial goods & methods.

Paul,

The past provides context, but you cannot fix the racism of the past by installing new racism. The men and women working today are not responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

Either everyone is equal as an Australian or they are not.

I will be voting no, not just because it is the right thing to do, but because I don't want my children to suffer from the monumental cock up that Labor is trying to foist on the voters.

With comments like this, "Cow Cocky's and their red necked opposition." demonstrates the emotive hate the yes proponents for everyone who votes No. They are irrational and emotional toward a substantial portion of Australians.

And you Proud Boy Jose'

Have been pounding away with every bit of negativity you can muster against Aboriginal Australia. Don't try the holier-than-thou claims of sanctimonious claptrap, for me referencing cow cocky's and rednecks! You are all over the shop spitting your hateful bile at those not like YOU!

Paul, your constant misrepresentation of people and facts puts you at the bottom of the class. You have no idea of my love and encouragement of my indigenous family and friends, friends like the Price family in Alice Springs.

Jose,

The fact is you have never posted one positive encouraging word about Aboriginal people on this forum, its always negative, which leads me to think you are bigoted, if not outright racists. If you have, "love and encouragement of (your) indigenous family and friends", then you don't display it here.

BTW, not all bigots and racists are mean hateful people, for example many of the early Christian missionaries were racists, but they were, like you, claiming to be loving and kind towards Aboriginal people, and most likely they were.

Josephus,
Reading between the lines makes me believe that Paul hasn’t got any Aborigine connection at all. He’s probably a blow-in from Mauritius or so he claimed some time ago & is trying to jump on the gravy train. I really have never heard of any Aborigine being as nasty & vindictive as he is !

And Indy,

They don't refer to those with Aboriginal heritage as "concrete jungle bunnies" like YOU do, another foney! Must be time for another one of your anecdotal stories about Aboriginal people acting badly!

They don't refer to those with Aboriginal heritage as "concrete jungle bunnies" like YOU do
Paul1405,
You really are a fine example of a despicable lying thing ! I have never said what you claim & have explained it multiple times that it had nothing whatsoever to do with heritage. I call people in concrete jungles Jungle Bunnies because of their warren-like way of life.
Just for you I’ll make an exception as your antics remind me of dung beetles.

Indy,

Attack me with claims I am a racists, as you constantly do, and I am going to fire back. Simple really.

"concrete jungle bunny"
Derogatory racists term used for urban black people that live in cities like New York and Los Angeles.

concrete jungle bunny"
Derogatory racists term used for urban black people that live in cities like New York and Los Angeles.
Paul1405,
You insist on that meaning, I don’t & never did !

I read Albanese has committed $1,000,000.00 for an education campaign to schools and libraries to indoctrinate for the yes campaign. He has the taxpayer Media campaigning for the yes already. The Voice is just the beginning of the Uluru statement, of returning the land and laws back to aboriginals.

It is obvious he wants to introduce the program of the Bridging the Gap, which ultimately gives sovereignty to the 259 tribes that have now interbred with settlers, and anyone else who has signed a declaration of aboriginality. The program is to remove the Crown {the settlers under Commonwealth laws] and install a Republic of infighting aboriginal tribes, under tribal laws. The concept of personal ownership will be removed if you live in Australia, you will pay a lease.

Heard from a bloke who travels the northern Qld communities for work that he hears a strong No vote among the real Aborigines.

Indy,

"Heard from a bloke" well, well, how convenient, how many did he survey? one thousand, one hundred, one? Give it some context, was this information forthcoming after you and Reggie The Racists had knocked back half a dozen schooners late on Saturday night down at Gods Waiting Room. I have no survey, but I would think Aboriginal people being fairly solid Labor voters would support the party line and vote 'YES', but time will tell.

p/s, Reggie might have been giving you false hope.

vote 'YES', but time will tell.
Paul1405,
Well, I did say real Aborigines not the out of control mass of pseudo self declared with the questionable pigment.