Our country's political leaders often talk about
Australia's multicultural credentials making
sweeping statements about its unmatched success
in diversity.

Is this true? Or do these statements mask the
reality that we are a country with a deep racial
problem, and it's not getting better.

According to the Scanlon report in 2021, it found
that an unprecedented rise in respondents' answers
to the question "how big a problem is racism in
Australia?" 60% of survey respondents indicated it was
a "very big" problem as opposed to 40% in 2020.

In March 2022 a Diversity Council report found 43% of
non-white Australian employees commonly experienced
racism at work. While only 18% of "racially privileged"
workers reported racism as a problem.

This only highlights how widespread racism remains but how
often its dismissed by those benefiting from white privilege.

We're told that racism also plagues Australia's key
institutions - businesses, universities, public service and
federal parliaments.

Around 1 in 5 Australians say they've experienced race hate-talk,
such as verbal abuse, racial slurs, or name-calling and labelling.

And more than one in 20 Australians say they've been physically
attacked because of their race.

Sure there's been legislation like the Race Discrimination
Act and we have formally abandoned the White Australia Policy -
so why does it still exist so strongly?

Is it due to this country's history?

Is it because of the facts found by the Human Rights
Commission in 2018 - that 2,490 of the most senior posts in
Australia 78% have an Anglo-Celtic background, 19% have a
European background, less than 5% have a non-European background
and only 0.4% have an Indigenous background?

At this time of our government trying to get a referendum on
the Voice to Parliament I thought it appropriate to ask these questions and have this debate on the forum.

Your opinions would be gratefully received - preferably without
personal attacks.

I can attest to the existence of racism in Australia. I and people like me are constantly attacked for the colour (or lack thereof) of our skin.

I quite often cry myself to sleep over it.

Foxy,
Have you been promised a job with the Voice ?

Hi mhaze,

I'm so sorry to hear that.

It's unfortunate that as a result -

Some of us remain incapable of even talking about the racism
in our midst let alone what should be done to stop it.

"Or do these statements mask the
reality that we are a country with a deep racial
problem, and it's not getting better."

Keep inviting more immigrants and we'll find out.

mhaze,

I have relatives who are in a similar position to you. They
also cried themselves to sleep as children having gone to
local schools. They were white Europeans.

"And more than one in 20 Australians say they've been physically
attacked because of their race."

27% of people are foreign born, so they won't be the ones doing the 'white nationalist bashings' will they?
So take out 6.75 million off 25 million, which leaves 18.25 million potential white nationalists, but even that would be an extremely high number in my opinion.

1 in 20 = 1.25 million foreign looking 'aussies' supposedly beaten up.

So you're saying that 1.25 million foreign looking aussies got beaten up by the other 18.25 million potential white nationalists

That's a ratio of 14.6
Your saying Foxy that for every 14.6 white Australians, (and you could probably cut that number in half, because half are women and far less likely to be committing these racial beatings) one of them is beating up on a foreign looking Aussie specifically because they look different?
I'm calling BS to this.

«Our country's political leaders often...»

STOP RIGHT THERE.

«Our country's political leaders often...»

STOP RIGHT THERE.

«Our country's political leaders often...»

STOP RIGHT THERE.

When the first words of the first sentence are such a blatant lie, on which basis a claim is attempted, whatever be that claim, you should not proceed to even read the rest, let alone respond.

Politicians are not leaders.
Just being a blood-sucker and a filthy power broker does not make one a leader.
If anyone happens to obey them then it is only out of fear, not respect, nor due to their personal example.
They are pests. They only exist to hurt us.

Please, everyone, do not proceed with this topic until the initial premise is corrected.

indyvidual,

Our First Nations People deserve like the rest of us
to have a Voice in this country.

Hi Armchair Critic,

By inviting a much wider variety of immigrants
to this country racism will hopefully decrease and things
will become more balanced and fairer as a result.
It's the "born to rule" mentality, the feelings of superiority,
that needs to be replaced.

Hi Armchair Critic,

Don't shoot the messenger.

I'm just quoting the figures from the reports I cited.
You're welcome to dispute those figures and come up with your own.

Hi Armchair Critic,

You should not make up your own figures or assumptions.
All I did was quote from the reports that people responded
to about their experiences. You're possibly reading more
into it trying to negate what they've said. If you don't
believe the reports - and think it's BS - fair enough.
To me it sounds reasonable.

yuyutsu,

A politician is a government leader and the political
positions range from local governments, to state
governments, to federal governments to international
governments.

All our government leaders are considered politicians.
The styles of leadership vary from - autocratic,
paternalistic, democratic, transformational, Laissez-faire,
and so on.

Then of course there are different political systems.
Democracies, monarchies, oligarchies, and authoritarian
and totalitarian regimes.

Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes are more unstable
politically because their leaders do not enjoy legitimate
authority and instead rule through fear.

Our First Nations People deserve like the rest of us
to have a Voice in this country.
Foxy,
I whole-heartedly agree but that's not what the agenda for the Voice is !

Foxy,
Just to make you see what I meant by my previous statement, just dig up some of the statements that were made as to what ATSIC was to be about when it was first proposed..

Dear Foxy,

«A politician is a government leader»

How politicians relate to each other among themselves and their internal hierarchies, styles and divisions is none of our business.

«All our government leaders are...»

Politicians and their government exist only to hurt us, they are our predators, they do not lead the ordinary people - they hunt us, they are not "our government leaders" - they could only perhaps be the leaders of their own violent gang, which has nothing to do with us. Whatever they do or say does not in any way describe the ordinary people of this continent, their prey.

The Socialist government is definitely racist - hence the Voice, which clearly indicates that they believe that people with aboriginal ancestors cannot make in the world like the Caucasians who built Australia, and the immigrants of all races who get along very well, too.

Yes, the Socialist government and all its supporters are certainly racist and disparaging of the descendants of native Australians.

I lost touch years ago with the aboriginal people that I grew up with, and worked alongside; I would like to know how they feel about being looked down on by the Albanese government, and the cynical use they are being put to by Blakticvists, who don't care about anyone but themselves and getting their snouts in that big, taxpayer-funded trough.

I feel so very sorry for all those immigrants who have been forced to come to a country as racist as Australia when they could have stayed in welcoming countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey or Ethiopia.

But there is an upside. Now that they are here and can see all this racism for themselves, they most definitely will be telling the folk back home not to try to come here because of the trauma they'll suffer. All those family sponsorship programmes will remain unused. After all, imagine you're a Somalian forced to come to Australia and suffer all that racism. You couldn't possibly in all good conscious try to get your family and friends to immigrate and suffer the same trauma.

We may as well close down all the family reunion programmes.... oh wait!

in the 1940 - 50s we had all those "wogs" invade Australia, until they learned the Aussie humor and they reveled in the insults and Newtown theatre and TV used the scripts. They assimilated and became good Australians. They used the insults and created an industry. I get insulted every day for my culture, I have just learned to live with ignorant minds.

Racism only becomes a problem if it involves violence. We learned "Sticks and stones might break my bones, but names will never hurt me". The Communist left wants every mind to be subject to only one voice and anyone who disagrees is considered "hating" if opposing.

Racism only becomes a problem if it involves violence.
Josephus,
yes and, when the racists start bleating about being victims of racism !

There is an element of racism and discrimination in Australia, but much of that has to do with stereotyping of those, "not like us". This leads to suspicions that "others", refugees, non European migrants and Aboriginals are good examples of "others" who are believed to be benefiting disproportionately and unfairly, mostly from government. Whereas those "like us" have to bear this injustice without complaint and having no recourse to correct what is blatant favouritism over "us", we are powerless in our own country, so some think. Not all Australian think like that, only a minority, and some of those haters are on this Forum.

The Woke are the real haters !

Oops ! Pressed submit by accident.
Saw this moron Green yesterday on the News where she spry-painted a beautiful paining in protest (over her own stupidity). I'd have applauded her if she had sprayed one of those idiot abstract blotches however, seeing herself covered in so much make-up that one couldn't even tell who she really was, is just a bit too stupid for me to ignore. Here she was, ruining a painting yet she herself was covered by substances produced by the most polluting industry-the make-p industry.
To be such a moron it is only natural that she is a Green & stupid and, she used to work for a Green WA Senator ?

Indyvidual

Yes they are. They project their own hate onto others; it's all part of their 'requirement' that other people really should be feeling the same way that they do. Frankly, I think that the people always telling us we 'hate' rather than simply have an opinion unlike theirs are too pathetic and childlike to hate. The more I see and hear the garbage coming from Socialists here and elsewhere, the less I feel anything at all about them. I certainly don't waste energy hating them. I think an automatic dulling of interest and caring occurs when you know that the bullshite is never going to stop. I'm glad that I probably won't be around when the results of the garbage being pushed now finally hit the fan.

There is no one more racist than Albanese, he is using race to divide Australians. His responsibility is to the poor and needy not to a race, but he has ignored them for a race dividing agenda. A Communist agenda to create division and discord. They believe they are there to govern people when they were appointed to govern the economy. They believe your money belongs to them, which is a Communist attitude. They are just the managers we have appointed to our taxes which we have given to support projects and services.

the results of the garbage being pushed now finally hit the fan.
ttbn,
You just have to look how long it took for the garbage that Whitlam started, to take effect !
These stuff-ups take a generation or two just as we experience it all now 50 years on.

Last year, more than 51,000 people were allowed to immigrate to Australia as part of the 'Family Stream' programme. These are people who already have one relative in Australia who sponsors them to immigrate also.

So let's get this straight. People come to Australia, find it to be intolerably racist and then suggest their relatives come out also!!

On the basis that you should take more notice of what people do rather than what they say, I think we can safely assert that all these claims of rampant racism, at leat against recent immigrants, is so much gumph.

yuyutsu,

You keep on having your vitriolic say
Unfortunately it appears you won't go away
You repeat your dogmas with great delight
Which on this forum they're meant to ignite

In future from mine please stay away
Start your own discussion where you can bay
To your heart's content you can spit, rave, and rant
But unfortunately by you, my discussions aren't enhanced!

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mhaze,

There's a wide variety
of migrants ranging from skilled, unskilled, students, refugees,
economic, and so on. None of them expected to find racism -
nor should any of them have to put up with racial abuse as has
been reported by so many. Instead of sarcasm - trying to find
solutions would be a better attitude.

_________________________________________________________________

josephus,

Not all "wogs" learned to live with ignorant minds. Many retreated
into and established their own communities.
___________________________________________________________________

Hi Paul,

Our hope in this country lies with the younger generation.
They are this country's future.
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Josephus,

Albanese racist?

And your claim that he's using race to divide Australia?

An odd thing to say. I don't think that most Australians
would see a Prime Minister keeping his election promises and
fulfilling his responsibility to the poor and needy - our
Indigenous people as a race issue or as divisive.

Perhaps you believe that our Indigenous people are not worthy
of self-determination, and aren't capable of being able to
achieve the same life styles and should not therefore be
given the opportunities that white people have.

Indigenous people have had decisions made for them for
decades. So why should things change? They have been
mis-treated and white- domination has been the go. So any
changes are racist? Totalitarian regimes are against
changes. The old order must prevail. Is that what you
are advocating?

Well luckily for this country we're not totalitarian in our
outlook. At least most of us are not. And lucky for us the
voters have at the last election elected a government who will
try to implement, manage, and support projects and services
for ALL of us - not just a select white, privileged few.

mhaze

You are using logic that is far beyond the ability to inderstand of the two Super Socialist who are always bringing up racism on the forum. They both suffer from a 'race fixation', and they always will.

Dear Foxy,

«But unfortunately by you, my discussions aren't enhanced!»

Your discussions are of no interest anyway because they rest on false and dangerous premises. I will keep alerting the others here so while they discuss this or that topic, naively thinking that this is what the thread is about, they do not fall prey to your underlying brainwashing subliminal messages of state-propaganda that are embedded in your very language.

Specifically, if you keep mentioning such rubbish as "our" nation, "our" government, "our" politicians or "our" leaders, then I will keep exposing these hidden falsehoods.

And here is another one:
«Our First Nations People deserve...»

Well first the aboriginal people are not yours and second, they were never afflicted by the white-man's disease of nationalism. They may have different health afflictions, but nationalism is not one of them. Calling them a "nation" is an insult to aboriginal people, akin to calling them "rabid".

mhaze,

So much gumpf?

For you perhaps.

For the rest of us - No!

Not all people who come to Australia complain about their
treatment for a multitude of reasons. And the numbers that
we do have are relatively small compared to the reality of
what really goes on and has been for decades.

The "Family Stream" programs help people to survive
discrimination. When people have family members to lean on
for strength and understanding and support it becomes far
easier to cope. Their own communities also help greatly and
give them the needed support.

Some groups also experience racism at higher rates. Especially
those those with culturally diverse backgrounds, different
religions, skin-colours, and so on.

They often have to deal with systematic forms of discrimination.
Such experiences do limit the access that members of these
groups enjoy to opportunities and resources that are offered
to many people from Anglo-Australian backgrounds.

I have worked with various migrant groups and know of their
many experiences. In particular of those who have arrived
recently. Media reports and commentary that use negative
stereotypes about refugees and migrants don't help. They can
fuel prejudice against these groups in the wider community.
______________________________________________________________________

yuyutsu,

What you do or don't do or what you say - is no longer of any
interest to me. I consider you an extremist. And I shall not
be either responding to or reading your nonsense.

Yuyutsu

There is nothing to be gained by banging your head against a brick (Extreme Socialist) wall.

Be thankful that she will no longer be responding to you: it is a blessing. She is as mad as a March Hare.

Foxy says, "
"Indigenous people have had decisions made for them for decades."
So, the voice is supposed to remove government decisions?

"So why should things change?"
They have every opportunity to be equal to any Australian.

"They have been mis-treated and white- domination has been the go".
Foxy is colour of skin a racist. Of Course, they do not mistreat themselves badly only white skin people mistreat them.

"Totalitarian regimes are against changes".
Nonsense! Trying to discredit logic with accusation.

josephus,

You can be part of the solution or part of the problem.
It's your choice.

The Australian people will get things right.
As they did at the last federal election.

Can't wait for the Referendum.

Foxy, I believe I have done more for disadvantaged aboriginals than most. It is you who are racist, as you believe that one race has special needs above all others. You believe they as a race are poor, disadvantaged and suppressed by white skin people. Speak for yourself.

Dear Ttbn,

«Be thankful that she will no longer be responding to you: it is a blessing.»

I wouldn't be that optimistic, she only promised to not respond to my nonsense.

Foxy,

I've been playing with you the way a cat plays with a captured mouse. But I'll stop and state it plainly.

There is racism in Australia. There is racism in every nation on earth. I've spent a large amount of time in China, Russia, Japan and the Philippines and I can tell you that the racism here is miniscule by comparison.

That refugees and other immigrants are clamouring to come here, would show to anyone who looked at it honestly that this a welcoming nation. That immigrants who come here then want their loved-ones to also come here shows that the relatively minor levels of racism here is easily tolerable to the immigrants to the extent that they are happy to recommend it to their family.

There is an entire industry here based on combatting racism. It doesn't matter that is a minor concern (even your original survey showed that) to most, even recent, immigrants. Just like poverty, we'll always find pockets of racism. It'll never be solved and never eradicated. So the careers based on fighting it, are secure. But they do need the gullible to buy the story that racism is a major problem, so rest peacefully Foxy, knowing that you are at least helping those folks to keep their (phoney-baloney.. http://youtu.be/uTmfwklFM-M?t=6) jobs.

josephus,

I have told you multiple times what I believe.
Our Indigenous people are our First Nations people and
they deserve to be recognised and acknowledged as such.
They also deserve a Voice to Parliament and being consulted
on policies and programs that parliament makes that affect
them. I don't think that's a big ask - and I support their
request.

It's your choice as to what you support.

mhaze,

Is that what you've been doing - playing with me?

And how's that been working for you?

Did you impress me or change anything?

As for how well Australia is doing as far as its racism
is concerned? And what a lovely country it is compared
to others like Russia? and other countries?

That Australians are so welcoming?

I can only speak about what I've experienced and seen.

We obviously move in very different circles. And I dare say
probably always will.

mhaze,

You're seriously comparing Australia to Russia and
China?

Hi Foxy,

We have a couple of new friends. An Indian family, lovely people, husband, wife and 8 year old daughter, been here only a few weeks. They have no family in Australia, but did stay a short time with an Indian friend in Brisbane. They arrived with only their suitcases, and it took a couple of weeks before their rented house came available, many folk helped out with furniture for the house, things we take for granted, towels, linen etc. He started his new job, arranged before they arrived in Australia, he is a professional), and daughter has started school. The main problem is learning the basics, everyday thing, of where's the best places to shop, how to use public transport (for work and school), got two phones, bank is fixed up, where's the nigh chemist. Next task is buying a car, when funds permit. There are so many basic things we "natives" take for granted. Other friends have done the area tour with them, that's a bit of a help, but still a steep leaning curve for them. They have the advantage of excellent English, having spent 3 years in Europe.

Wants to do us a "goat curry", but where to buy goat meat, hummm...

p/s I have to introduce them to the wonders of 'Aldi' for shopping, wife has been a bit surprised at the prices of some basics in Woolies and Coles, particularly fresh produce, although chicken is cheap she tell us, but spices what a price in supermarkets, where are your street markets for those things, she asked. hummm I can help with the spices...

Dear Paul,

Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
It's so good to read something positive for a change
on this forum.

We've also had some very positive experiences in
our new apartment building. We have many Chinese as
neighbours and a young couple has befriended us.
I haven't been too well for a few days - and I got
a surprise last night when the young lass knocked on our
door and brought us an evening meal that she'd prepared.

We were so grateful - and it was delicious. Now it's
my turn for one of my dishes for them. Plus I'll also invite
them for a Sunday roast as well.

In our old home we used to interact with our neighbours all
the time. They became like family oiver the years. And they
were of different backgrounds - from Sri Lankans, Italians,
Egyptians, to Macedonians, Greeks and Chinese. And of course
us. No Anglos. And we all got on beautifully.

Not that I'm saying there's something wrong with Anglos.

Foxy are you serious? The aboriginals have eleven representatives in Government and many lobby groups, they do not need any more voices. It is the Radical left that pretend not to hear the needs of aboriginals, and you are obviously DEAF!

josephus,

I'm sorry that I don't seem to be capable of explaining
things any clearer for you. Perhaps as the Referendum
draws nearer and you keep an open mind yourself -
with more flyers and leaflets that will be provided -
you may finally be able to understand things better.

For now - I've done the best I can to explain things to
you (over and over again). And no I'm not deaf. Not yet.
But it would help if you at least tried to give
this issue more in depth thought.

"Wakka Wakka man Dennis James Fisher is suing the Commonwealth in the Federal Court, arguing he should receive the pension at the age of 64 rather than 67 because of his shorter life expectancy". (SMH)

There is certainly a lot of 'wakka wakking' going on around the aboriginal question. This rubbish hinges on the shorter life span of aboriginal men, who don't do much to help themselves live longer.

Wakk, wakk ….. wakk, wakk ...

Foxy

"Did you impress me or change anything?"

Wasn't trying to. You're unchangeable. But I did enjoy myself poking fun at people who get vexed over things they've been taught to get vexed over, irrespective of how minor they are.

So keep pushing the we're-all-racist button Foxy. The anti-racist bureaucracy appreciates your efforts.

mhaze,

I think that I've already proven that Australians
are not all racists. Clearly some are. And, considering
this country's history - built on fighting, sameness,
and demanding assimilation - racist attitudes are
understandable.

That legacy from its white classes of "privilege"
lives on for some today. People who aren't affected by
racism themselves and who consider any racism complaint
as "minor" or dismiss it altogether. Having little
empathy towards those actually experiencing racism.

As for my being "unchangeable?"

On the contrary. I've had to adapt for most of my life
to changing circumstances. If I was not changeable I could not
have survived and thrived not only in this country, but on
having worked and lived in several continents in a variety
of jobs, amongst a variety of cultures, religions, and races.

My parents raised me to question everything. To adapt, and
inquire. They found that so much more useful than rigid
concepts.

There's a folk song "Flowers Are Red," written and sung by Harry
Chapin. The lyrics have a lesson that's appropriate here. A lesson
in the importance of non-conformity. The song shows what can be
lost if diversity is discouraged.

It's a song about a little boy whose teacher stiffled his
views of flowers and wanted him to conform. She created a
bleak climate. It took another teacher to try to help
the little boy see the world positively and appreciate its
diversity and beauty.

Kids are the harbingers of new thought. They should be
encouraged and not knocked down.

Look the song up. The lyrics are worth reading.

There's another work worth reading:

"Let the Fire Burn: Nurturing the Creative Spirit of
Children," by Vince Gowmon. ( A children's book for adults).

Why do the racists constantly draw attention to their mentality by blaming normal people for it ?

Indy,

"Why do the racists constantly draw attention to their mentality by blaming normal people for it ?"

YOU will have to explain that one for yourself, why do YOU refer to those you suspect of having Aboriginal heritage, and living in cities as, "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNIES". Why are YOU such a racists. The balls in your court!

Paul1405,
One can't be racist towards one's own race besides, what's so wrong with jovial terms ?
Only one who has something to hide or has an evil agenda burrs up at innocent humour !
Someone as opportunistic & with a seriously polluted mentality as you !

indyvidual,

It's not a question of blame. It's a question of understanding
what racism is.

"History gives us an explanation of why some people face
discrimination and disadvantages. Aboriginal and Torres
Strait Islander people have to deal with a number of
barriers that other Australians don't. They're less likely
to be selected for jobs, which leads to a lower standard of
living and less access of health care, leading to a shorter
average life expectancy and highër suicide rates".

"The reasons for these disadvantages go all the way back to
Australia's colonial past when Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people were widely seen as inferior".

"Institutions also play an important role in perpetuating
racism. They include schools, churches, the court system,
the media, and organisations".

There's more at the following:

http://au.reachout.com/articles/what-is-racism-and-how-to-spot-it?

As for racist jokes? People can joke about themselves but when
done consistently by others - it can hurt.

Indy,

"jovial terms", "innocent humour", "seriously polluted mentality". Okay, have you got any other "Abo" jokes I haven't heard yet?

Hummmm, you claim not to be racists, then you throw out a lot of racist "humour", then you claim the bloke whose the butt of your "jovial innocent humour", is the racists. Is that how it works?

I say, the majority of racists are not haters, in fact like the Christian Missionaries before them, they don't consider themselves racists at all, but just the opposite, they see themselves as benefactors to those inferior unfortunate people. Many of these racists are more bigoted than anything else, treating minorities with suspicion, prejudice and contempt. For these prejudice people, in many instances racists is too strong a word. Just like individuals, corporation and governments can be racists. The 'White Australia Policy' was blatantly racists, but accepted as good government policy at the time. Even today there are many business with an unwritten policy of not employing people of colour, on the grounds; "They are unreliable, and besides they will only steal from you".

Hi Paul,

I've go heaps of stories that I could tell you about
racism experiences that I've experienced,
witnessed, and had to deal with.

Many were in Los Angeles. The one that springs to mind
happened when after leaving the university due to
pregnancy, the owners of our apartment building offered
me the job of managing it. But one proviso. Under no
circumstances was I to let to "people of colour". It
was up to me to handle those situations -
and give whatever excuses I wanted.

Not a pleasant experience.

Another experience was more personal - and it happened in
high school here in Australia when my very best friend -
a lovely Aussie girl told me she didn't want to be
friends with me any more because I was "too different".

I asked her to explain, but she just walked away.
That really hurt. I had valued that friendship.

Then there was the time my husband was waiting to be seen
by a doctor in a public hospital when an elderly nurse
came up to him and I guess because of his unusual "foreign"
surname asked him if he needed an interpreter.

My husband replied in his Oxford English accent:

"Why doesn't the doctor speak English?"

Paul, have you checked out Salman Rushdie's latest novel -
"Victory City," yet?

I tried to read his controversial book - "Satanic Verses,"
but found it unreadable. I was unable to really get into it.

I loved "Midnight's Children," and now am looking forward
to his latest release which is described as:

"An epic tale with a message for us all. Our power
is fleeting, but stories last forever. This is Salman
Rushdie at his best. A magical tale in an historical setting
that will stqy with you long after you turn the final page".

Paul, I forgot to add that during that time in Los Angeles
when I was managing the apartment building -a lovely black
American family did inquire about one of the apartments
and of course I was not allowed to rent to "people of colour"
so I was forced to come up with an excuse that there was
an interested party ahead of them that had first preference.

I finally ended up renting the apartment to two young
professional gay men.

One a lawyer, the other a child psychologist.

They threw the greatest parties

I had a Maths teacher at high school who took
a great delight in referring to me only by
my surname and even then - mispronouncing it.
The class would laugh and find it funny. I
didn't. She had the thinnest of lips - that puckered
like a cat's rear end. She convinced me that
I was hopeless at Maths. And would never be good at it.
It was only later that I learned I wasn't bad at all.

Also to off-set this teacher - We had the most
wonderful English Lit. Department Head - who became my
mentor and friend. She instilled in me a love of literature
and especially Shakespeare.

A truly fabulous teacher. Who just happened to be Jewish.

Foxy I had a very different Oxford accent experience in the Solomon Islands. I had anchored one afternoon in the Shortland Islands. A little later a short but very plump local came paddling out in a canoe far too small for him looking very dangerous.

I expected him to offer me coconuts or fish in exchange for any fishing gear I had, but he totally floored me by bidding me good afternoon in a perfect Oxford accent. He then invited me to dinner with he & his wife that evening.

It transpired he was one of a few hundred locals sent to Oxford by the UK government, when the Solomons were a British protectorate. They had a brilliant policy that no one could work for the government for more than 20 years, so unlike PNG they did not end up with an educated elite clustered in the capital.

He had had various government jobs, ending up police commissioner, before returning to his origins with his education, knowledge, expertise & quite wealthy by island standards. He ran a trade store & had introduced a number of improvements to his islands life in health & education. He also ran a small heard of cattle in a copra plantation, eliminating the need for constant under tree clearing, while offering improved nutrition to the locals.

An interesting aside, the locals still preferred tinned corn beef to fresh steak, & many preferred imported rice to local sweet potato, a hang over from WW11. His biggest sorrow was that once educated all but one of his kids had preferred to stay in the capital, rather than return to their roots on the island.

Hi Hasbeen,

I love reading about your experiences. You've had so
many really interesting ones. Thank you for sharing them
with us on this forum. And all I can say is - "More please".

Talkin about accents. I remember my aunt years back used to
be hard to understand when she tried to speak English.
Her accent was very strong. Plus she used to get words like
"shirt" and "skirt" mixed up with some hilarious results.
Asking for a skirt for her husband in David Jones (when she
meant shirt).

Referring to a house's "bum" when she meant the rear-end of
the house. And plenty more.

The book - "They're a Weird Mob," was very spot on. I remember
laughing when I first read it so many years ago.

Paul1405 by his usual hypocritical standard conveniently failed to address the line in which I stated that 'One can't be racist towards one's own race' no, he went for reliable old jugular of "White policy" & his imagined discrimination against "people of colour".
I don't think there's a hope in heaven to make people like Paul1405 see let alone exercise integrity.
Where's his indignation when we're called unsavoury names in indigenous language ?
Where's his indignation when non-indigenous claim indigenous heritage ?
Racists & racism are a fact of being human, a fact that can't be legislated out of instinct & personal feelings. Racism is also a perpetual bleating of victimhood of incidents from two centuries ago.
The Aborigines have only had to deal with each other & leter with the British whereas others in all parts of the World had multiple invasions & occupation & only a few of them perpetuate that for financial gain.
Here it has become an industry & will become something even bigger if the same old activists aren't kept away from the Voice,.
As I said many times the racism bleaters are the real racists !

indyvidual,

I'll repeat some of what I wrote to you earlier. History
gives us an explanation of why some people face
discrimination and disadvantages. It's not a question of
assigning blame. It's a question of understanding what
racism is.

You have to take things
in context. Our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people have to deal with things today that other
Australians don't. Ranging from being less likely to
be selected for a job, which leads to a lower standard of
living, less access to health care, which lowers their
average life expectancy, to higher suicide rates,
incarceration, and so on.

The reasons for these disadvantages go all the way back to
Australia's colonial past when Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people were widely seen as inferior - and in many cases
still are regarded as such.

Also in this country institutions also play an important role
in perpetuating racism. They include schools, the court system,
churches, the media, and organisations. It's a systemic problem.

Denying it or blaming does not help anyone. Finding ways to fix
the problems would be more productive. And it should start
with ourselves first. Here again is the link I gave earlier:

http://au.reachout.com/articles/what-is-racism-and-how-to-spot-it?

It's worth a read.

Dear Paul,

Here's a bit of some light relief:

An Iranian immigrant comes to Australia, works hard and
is able to buy his very first home, an apartment in the
city. He throws an all night party with his friends to
celebrate.

One of his guests notices a hammer and a large metal pot
next to one of the walls.

"What's that for?" he asks.

The Iranian says - "That's my talking Australian clock."

"Really? How does it work?"

"I will show you."

The Iranian takes the metal pot places it next to the wall
and bangs on it with the hammer until the next door neighbour
yells

"It's 3 oclock in the f*ng morning!"

Good one Foxy!

Ranging from being less likelye to
be selected for a job,
Foxy,
That's a myth perpetuated in City circles, the reality up here is Govt job ads like "Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders only". Personally, I think many indigenous are doing a better job than Labor voting bureaudroids sent here en-massé anyway.
Construction & blue collar workers need to be imported for reasons I can't mention without being accused of racism.
Same pays as everyone but school fees & school holiday transport provided for indigenous only.

Indy,

With all your claimed "jovial terms", "innocent humour", "seriously polluted mentality". I asked, have you got any other "Abo" jokes I haven't heard yet? You didn't post any black funnies, why is that?

Hi Foxy,

At one time in Sydney if a black fella wanted to rent a nice unit or house, it was advisable for him to "send a white fella to see the agent" on his behalf, cause he had no chance of renting anything decent.

indyvidual,

We all have our own experiences of racism.
All we can do is hope that with our help, future generations
will have a better world to live in and that they will continue
to make things better for their next generation. At least
governments are becoming more conscious of the systemic problems
and are trying to fic them.

How are you going to vote in the Voice Referendum?

Just curious.

Paul1405,
You're always & rather conveniently (for you) leaving out why such attitudes existed. I know that you know the evidence for that but it's just a tad too inconvenient for you !

How are you going to vote in the Voice Referendum?
Foxy,
In theory, I like the idea of a Voice however, past evidence of the kind of characters of activists involved I'm still cold on it to jump in & vote Yes.
I'm in favour of referendums but again, there's that but, people who haven't the slightest clue are being asked to decide on something that can easily be to the detriment for the majority of future generations of Australians rather than benefit.
To put the Voice in place without first sorting out the Tax & Welfare fiasco is wrong both morally & technically.
In my view the Voice is a vote-grabber for Albo & which won't solve whatever indigenous "problems" there are & more likely than not will worsen whatever discrimination there is presently. A problem can't be solved by creating another problem so, a this stage my vote is No !

There's some good news.

Workshops, a new website, and a $5m donation, have fuelled
the launch of the YES campaign for an Indigenous Voice
to Parliament.

We're told that hundreds of advocates met on Kaurna land in
Adelaide to workshop strategies to win the referendum before
the launch on Thursday night.

The YES campaign director Quandamorka man of Minjerribah,
Dean Parkin, said it was time to bring the conversation back
to the people, answer questions, and unite them with a
successful YES vote.

"Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people in Australia's Constitution has been discussed in
political circles very intensely in recent months".

"It's time to bring the conversation to where it belongs and
back to where it started - with the people of Australia".

"We are now starting the work of welcoming people into that
conversation and the millions of discussions that are
going to happen across Australia - from kitchen tables to
sporting clubs and from farmyards to beachfronts, over
the course of 2023, towards landing with a successful YES
vote that will bring the country together".

The PM Antony Albanese has vowed to go ahead with a referendum
by the end of the year, while emphasizing that it's a project
for the Australian people and should not be a partisan issue.
At the start of a national week of action on Saturday , he would:
"reach out to any parliamentarian across the political spectrum".

Because this should not be the subject of a
partisan debate. This should be the moment
where we come together as a nation.

Think wisely before you vote
This country's First People are barely afloat
They're counting on us to give them a chance
To fend for themselves, their lives to enhance

Give them a break that's all we need do
A break's being asked of me and of you
They've earned the right to be equal and free
They've earned the same right just like you and like me

They've earned the same right just like you and like me
Foxy,
Way too many & even way more non-indigenous are still a very long way from 'earning' the rights that can only be gotten through responsibility & care i.e. earned !

indyvidual,

In that case - we need to give me the chance to "earn"
that right as you say and vote YES on a Voice to Parliament.
We can't have it both ways. Blame them for not "earning" and
then deny them toe right to earn it. They're asking for
self-determination. We need to give it to them and then see what
happens. Right?

sorry - The first sentence should read -
We need to give THEM the right to "earn" it.
Sorry for the typo.

For me this discussion is now coming to an end.
I think that we all realize that we can do better.
We've passed the Race Discrimination Act. We've
formally got rid of the White Australia Policy.
Words like "Wog," "Dago," "Chink", and others
have become out-moded. And we now will be given
a chance to improve the lives of our Indigenous
People come the referendum at the end of the year.

So YES we have the capacity for improvement in our
nation.

I'll end on this note:

"Third World" refugee here.

I have a PhD in English and I've won the Pulitzer Prize
for Literature.

What have you done?

Out of nowhere, Foxy became an author of children's books. Now, she has a PhD in English, and has won a Pulitzer Prize for literature. What a load of rubbish! After all these years of poorly written posts looking like newspaper columns, she thinks people are going to believe such crap.

Complete and utter madness.

I'm not a "Third World" refugee.
And this quote was in no way about me.
I do not have a PhD. Nor have I won a Pulitzer
Prize.

The quote was ABOUT a "Third World" Refugee.
Not me.

It was simply meant as a polite reminder to us all to
stop making derogatory remarks about refugees and referring
to the places that they come from in derogatory ways - for
example - as - "shyte holes".

Again - why bring me into it?

Someone continues with their obsession about me.
Sick!

An apology would be appropriate.

It's good manners.

We need to give THEM the right to "earn" it.
Foxy,
I wholeheartedly agree & where does it say it isn't so ? Is it taking someone's 'Right" away if they chose not to perform the most basic of all functions i.e. put in an effort to then get rewarded for ?
I know many indigenous who have better incomes from jobs than I & many of my co workers could ever dream of, I've never heard any of them complain. Do you know how many very well off indigenous have worked for what they have achieved by making full use of the opportunities that were on offer to them ?
Those who didn't or don't are joined by a long line of non-indigenous of whom there are many who aren't compensating the Taxpayers by way of performing in their duties !
The term Bureaudroid should be familiar to you by now !
The racism we're perpetually discussing is more often than not not racism as it has zilch to do with race. Only Leftist opportunistic anti-social harmony mongers resort to that cheapest of the cheap arguments.

indyvidual,

You're asking the wrong person here.

Why not ask the Indigenous people what they want
to be able to help themselves? If they had a
Voice to Parliament they'd be able to tell us.

Also - it would help if you'd lose the name calling
and finger-pointing. It's wearing a bit thin. And
discourages any engagement at al..

Indy,

You can't call the bloke behind the desk down at 'Centrstink' who you keep badgering for more aged welfare a "co-worker"! I understand you guys are on first name terms, you being a regular customer for the past 50 years, but calling that poor public servant a co-worker is too much. You're the co and he's the worker, not the same.

You will be pleased to hear I have developed the "Twenty Buck Program" as part of my Seniors National Service. Oh yes, once all your basic needs have been met through the government issued, food and clothing stamp system, which you will receive fortnightly in lieu of the present over generous cash handout, an additionally, and I stress mostly tax free, cash subsidy of $20 will be all yours to help meet your luxurious life style. Now doesn't that sound marvellous, naturally you over the Moon to hear such good news?

Hi Foxy,

Did you hear the joke about the old forum fella, who declared just this week that he would never ever start another forum discussion topic, it was a waste of his time. Then he starts three, a man of his word. Funny ah!

ARE THE ALBANESE GOVENMENT LISTINING TO ABORIGINALS? Since the Labor government failed to listen to the aboriginals and abandoned them by the lifting of the alcohol bans and the cashless card, they are incapable of listing to issues confronting aboriginals. They are pretending they are listening by giving an elite a Voice.

Albanese says it is a modest change, but Langton wrote the mind-numbing, 272-page “co-design” report that Albanese says has all the detail you need on the Voice.
“Why would we restrict the Voice to representations that can’t be challenged in court?” she said.

The High Court could be involved in decisions affecting aboriginals if someone objects to an issue. IT IS MORE THAN ADVISORY

Dear Paul,

He also said he was going to ignore me.

You'd think that the beginning sentence of my earlier
quote - "Third World" refugee here.
Would have given him a clue that it wasn't me.

Twitter, is full of "Third World" refugee quotes.

Here's two more:

"Third world" refugee here.
One of my brothers treats people with heart problems. Another
educates hundreds of kids, and I run a non-profit outlet
that strengths democracy. What have you done?

And -

"Third world" refugee here.
I have a double degree from UCLA
(psychology and philosophy)
am polyglot, speak 3 languages fluently,
started 2 successful companies. What have you done?

I find that these people are the most passionate and driven
people that I have come across. They sit and wait for things.
They are the doers. Hence the quote - to show that they
don't deserve racist attacks.

And neither do i.

_______________________________________________________________

josephus,

The Voice does not have "power". It has function.
It's function is to make representation on behalf of its
constituency across Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people to the government and to parliament.

In other words The Voice will be an advisory body to
government and parliament on matters affecting Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander Australians.

The Voice will make a practical difference on the ground
by listening to the communities we make better policies to help
close the gap.

Dear Paul,

Sorry for the typo regarding "Third World" refugees.
It should read - "They DON'T sit and wait for things".
"They are doers".

Foxy, talk to Langton and be informed, she sees the Voice having power in government for aboriginal issues or it goes to the High Court.

Why not ask the Indigenous people what they want
to be able to help themselves
Foxy,
Which indigenous, the real ones or the pretend ? The real ones aren't behind the push for the Vote ! They already have jobs & contribute in keeping their communities running !

Josephus,

Prof. Langton and Prof. Calma have made it abundantly
clear that all elements of the Voice are non-justiciable,
meaning that there could not be a court challenge and no
laws could be invalidated. The Voice has a function but
no power, as you've been told. The Voice is only an
advisory body. Write yourself a note: "The Voice is only
an advisory body".

indyvidual,

The people behind the Voice are people who have been
recognised as Indigenous by the government. They are
people whose ancestry is Indigenous, who identify themselves
as Indigenous, and who are recognised as Indigenous by the
communities in which they have lived or are still living in.
They are genuine Indigenous people. And they have been elected
by their own communities to represent them.

Not only are they behind the vote, they have contributed to
the Indigenous Voice Co-Design Process Final Report that was
released in July 2021 and which was presented to parliament by
Ken Wyatt.

Perhaps you could get hold of this report from you local library
and have a read?

This discussion was "coming to and end" 11am Saturday; but it's still going at 9am Sunday. If you keep poking a spider with a stick, it will keep defending itself: it doesn't have the intelligence to retire. It's not very smart to keep poking it either. Squash it, or leave it alone.

Why are you continuing with your vitriol?
And not staying away and ignoring as you promised?

This is a discussion I started and much as I'd like to
leave it. I shall continue to respond to comments made
to me. That's what people do in discussions. And why
attack me? Why not attack those who are continuing to
ask questions and make the comments?

What's with the reference to spiders?

Nast man.

Can't help yourself.

"Nast" is an adjective describing something unpleasant,
such as a gaseous odour . Example - "OMG that smell is
so Nast!"

Even Google Girls's abuse comes from Google. The one thing that she could never be accused of is originality. And she will never give up as long as the flys keep going it her web instead of realising - after all this time - that she is insatiable.

I've always been taught to think outside the box
And to use my knowledge and skills
To define my own voice.

I loved my job of taking weekly Storytime Sessions for
children from diverse backgrounds and teaching them the
importance of being themselves. As Dr Seuss wrote:

Today you are you,
But its truer than true
There is no one alive
Who is Youer than you

See you on another discussion.

Keep up the good job of fighting racism.

Keep up the good job of fighting racism.
That is the reason to Vote No. Keep every person equal under the law, which they were made on 26th January 1949; when everyone born in Australia became a citizen of Australia. The radical left ABC and SBS want to divide Australians by race.

What I find most egregious about this 'racist' nonsense is that it is always started up by people claiming to be white and to have been born here; it's never immigrants of different races, apart from the odd one or two brainwashed by these self-hating whites with serious personal problems. And, mainly, people who support Labor Socialist differentiation by race, currently in the form of dangerous idiocy called the Voice. The eagerness of people of all races to get to live in Australia gives lie to the bullshite invented by these disloyal Australians.

The only racism comes from our current Socialist government and supporters of this insidious Voice.

Josephus,

I'm still trying to leave this discussion so please
in future keep the mis-information on your own discussion.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander have never been
treated equally under our laws.

Before 1948 all Australians were British subjects. In 1948
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were granted
citizenship but they were NOT granted voting rights.

It should be stressed that from 1902 to 1965 (when the last
state changed its laws) tens of thousands of Aboriginal
and Torres Strait Islander people were subject to
regulations which prohibited them from voting at federal
and state elections.

It wasn't until 1984 that Indigenous people were finally
treated like other voters and required to enrol and vote
at elections.

You should also know that it wasn't until 27th May 1967 that
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were allowed to
be counted as part of the population and the Commonwealth
continued to make laws for them.

So please don't blame the ABC or SBS for the treatment of
our Indigenous people. And stop spreading the BS that our
Indigenous people were equal with the rest of Australians.

That's why a YES vote is finally necessary for them to finally
gain some fairness and equality.

Please don't continue with further comments on my discussion.
I do want to leave it. But I feel obliged to respond when
you post rubbish.

I'm fairly certain now that Foxy means well but has in fact no concept of racism. Simply listening to racists claiming to be victims of racism falls a very long way short of actually grasping how this insidious industry is exploiting inexperienced , well meaning people.
Being hell-bent on revenge against those bad whities requires power & the Voice would be the perfect vehicle to take them there. Problem is that these activists have proven that they haven't got the mentality to manage for the common good of even just their own people.
Non-indigenous bureaudroids are inevitably implicated in funding approval of taxpayers money.
Whenever attention is drawn to some unexplained expenditures, the term racism is perpetually used & exploited to fullest to avert the attention.

God Bless You Indy!

recognised as Indigenous by the government
Foxy,
By Govt or some ignorant bureaudroids paid by the Govt with taxpayer Dollars ?
Bureaudroids to whom anyone from lilly-white to jet-black is indigenous as long as they so claim !
No proof needed with a system where there's no DNA or heritage cut-off point. Exploitation encouraged with the blessing of the Left !

indyvidual,

Actually, there are 3 criteria that have to be met
that the government assigns in order to be counted as
Aboriginal. 1) Ancestry. 2) self-identification.
3) Acceptance by a community in which you live or have
lived. Plus formal application and proof may be required depending
on what you're applying for.

It's not as easy as you're implying.

Here's comment number 100, and Australia is just the same as it was before this race-baiting started - all because people with nothing better to do are still poking the spider, who has nothing better to do.

Some people prefer spiders, to venomous snakes
Others prefer chickens and plump little drakes
Gorillas and elephants make lions roar
While wombats and koalas everyone adores

Race-baiting is something some folks do
Against any outsider who isn't true-blue
But most look forward to the happy day
When they can all link hands and together play

Until then to all they try to be kind
But it's not so easy with some little minds
Who are jealous of the posts they can't get
So they continue to tarnish and fret, fret, fret!

ttbn, is that why you have posted 10 times on this thread, nothing better to do than promote your brand of racism.

Foxy,
Heard on ABC Radio today that there are now people who want to change their race as well as their gender. Govt is already taking steps to curb what could be a real flood of problems for society. Interesting times ahead !

indyvidual,

We seem to be living in an age of unsettled identities
and the transgender experience has opened up new
possibilities for thinking about gender and race.

Interesting times indeed.

Watching NITV last night a group of aboriginals were following the Forsayth River and educating their children in the landmarks and culture. When they came to the water storage dam, they complained about what the White government had done to their sacred sites along the river, now covered by water. There were two sacred trees that God placed on the riverbank they used to rest under and tell their stories - Gone!
What would be the advice to Government now be? Remove the dam! listen to aboriginal voices or go to the High Court, it is in the Constitution.

josephus,

The Voice to Parliament being made up of rational people
approved by Government would probably use common sense
and rationality and advise government to put up some sort
of signage in the area giving it's history. I'm sure that
an official recognition would suffice.

Or would you vote against that as well?

Each tribe would have reasonable beliefs that they believe affects them i.e. rugby in Alice Springs, so who does Government follow? Enshrining a Voice in the Constitution is different from advising Government which gives the Government options.

josephus,

Government will probably consider the advice given to
them by the members that were chosen to represent
them on the Voice by the First Nations People.

members that were chosen to represent
them on the Voice
Foxy,
That is what I'm cagey about ! I remember when we were bombarded with 'All we want is an apology". Well, apologies came & went & look what 's being asked for this time ?
It's got nothing to do with helping needy indigenous, it's purely about getting more power for a handful of hateful activists who have no interest in the wellbeing of others. All they live for is to drag up a history wrong on all fronts & disregarding the goodwill since !
Racism is not solely a Caucasian trait. Hangers-on of every heritage are tirelessly working on perfecting it !

Indyvidual,

I am more positive in my outlook and I feel that
government knows what it's doing. Constitutional
experts have made things quite clear that the
structure and role of the Voice is decided by Parliament
through legislation and that it is not a threat to the
way this country is run. Parliament will have the power
and the control.

The so-called activists are a small group and don't
speak on behalf of the Aboriginal people as they and
others try to claim. So you can rest easy.

The more I read of Foxy the more I become concerned that we will again see tribal wars in Australia, as Government determines who is to speak on the Voice. Again, this is Government interference in aboriginal affairs.

As the older generation dies out and the only aboriginals left are the WAR - warriors of aboriginal resistance of which there are currently about 3,000 young members. Who speaks for aboriginals who not only want to change the date but who want sovereignty? This might take 100 years as activists influence all young in the coming years to believe their heritage has been stolen.

Proud Boy Jose'

When are you going to stop with this thinly veiled racism of your. Be truthful you oppose 'The Voice' because you believe it gives Aboriginal people an undeserved entitlement. Upperty Blacks need to know their place in decent White society. Ah!

an undeserved entitlement
Paul1405,
More a case of intractable authority !

Every culture needs their own nation, their own institutions, their own identity, their own power over their own future, their own life.

josephus,

I strongly believe that most Australians feel that
the Voice is important to support and is a step
towards reconciliation. A step towards recognizing
our First Nations people. Everything is being done
towards that end. You are welcome to come on board.

With so many different countries and billions of people
on earth, it's not hard to imagine that many diverse
cultures exist.

Here in Modern Australia our cultural landscape has now been
shaped by so much diversity. Today the term "melting pot"
fits our country because different cultures have
contributed distinct flavours.

While we adapted with most cultural norms here in Australia,
many of us also kept a few from our own origins and this has
been the beauty of this country. It allowed us to blend
into this country's distinct culture while keeping our own
distinct identity.

If we put aside our own prejudices or biases we can have and
are open to other people. It can help prepare us to listen, talk
and learn about other people and their cultures while teaching
them about our own.

By learning about people of different cultural backgrounds we
can expand our horizons, have better personal dialogue and
communicate more on a personal level.

Diversity is not only important for adults but children
should be learning about different cultures too. Especially those
who live in diverse big cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide,
Perth, and Brisbane.

It's extremely important for adults to teach kids to be
accepting of different cultures because if children aren't
taught then they can become narrow-minded and this can lead to
issues at school such as bullying.

Today's world is multicultural and if we are
to live in harmony we have to be able to respect
and know about other cultures.
Life would be easier for most of us if we can learn a lot
of good things about each other.

For me cultural diversity means merging different cultures,
introducing good aspects of your culture to others but
also accepting the positions of a new culture.

to live in harmony we have to be able to respect
and know about other cultures.
Foxy,
Ideally, yes. However, many cultures view this as a right to impose their cultures & to ignore others. If a culture is say overrun by force then this is reasonable to expect but when a culture provides a safe haven the incoming cultures should pull their heads in.
The British have overrun the Aborigines' lands but they still compensate them now more than ever, how many other new cultures to Australia are doing that ?

"The British have overrun the Aborigines' lands but they still compensate them" The British is it, is King Charles II sending a few pounds their way sometime soon.

Indy, get out of your house I'm moving in, and I'll think about compensating you later with something, a couple of bucks maybe, you never know.

Marx considered culture false consciousness and proposed that culture should be destroyed and genetic lines should be merged until national traits can't be recognized.

This is genocide.

Multiculturalism is code for anti-white.

Multiculturalism is only promoted in white societies.

White people are becoming a stateless people.

This is a campaign by certain groups to gain dominance over other groups. This has always happened- not only in human cultures. Even though it is presented by Marxists as the most modern of technologies.

Those that survive do so by resisting those trying to destroy them.

There is technology available in the modern world that changes the form of genocide but the outcome is the same.

Communists say that those white people trying to protect their culture need to have an open mind to being destroyed by genocide and their children need to be forcibly exposed to the concept of being destroyed by genocide.

There needs to be a balance between psychological openness and other psychological archetypes as psychologists acknowledge- for individuals as well as societies. (but psychology is far from ideal)

Don't trust communists- they'll backstab you- recruit you to stab your children and family and friends and neighbours and culture- a global hierarchical death cult- in the name of equality and fairness.

Communists don't believe you should keep the fruits of your labours- of yourself or your culture. They will take your nation, your house, your job, your children, your ancestors sacrifice- have the courage to stop them- to recruit others to stop them- and to restore our heritage.

It is not wrong to protect your own culture from genocide. Surely your right to protect your nation is more than their right to destroy your nation.

One hundred million dead under Communism.

Previously Foxy said that the multicultural "melting pot" was now "the patchwork quilt" based on comments made by European leaders that multiculturalism doesn't work.

Good friends need good borders- they need to be secure in their own personal space.

Afro-American's don't want a melting pot either. Neither do Zionists like the (seemingly Israeli front) ADL's Jonathan Greenblat.

Afro-American's complain about the white police- let them have their own autonomous region with their own police.

Their are also globalist business groups pushing the concept of multiculturalism- for their own interest- at the expense of the culture- Communism and business are forming an unholy Liberalist global alliance- which feeds on the death of culture and freedom and love- a meat grinder.

Canem Malum,
Very factual ! Well put.

Paul1405 perpetually forgets which side his taxpayer funded toast is buttered on.
I'm fairly sure now that he's convinced by causing more mayhem he'll be able to bring back the past. After all, the past is all he's got. The presence merely gives him the opportunity to feverishly tear at the scabs of the past because his hopes for the future are already dashed by his own miserable & vindictive (racist) mentality.

Australia is considered by many to be the most
multicultural society in the world uniting a
multitude of cultures, experiences, beliefs, and
traditions. We owe our accomplishments as a nation
to the contributions of more than 300 different
ancestries from the First Australians to the newest
arrivals.

Multicultural Australia: United, Strong, Successful!

The UK has a very multicultural society and is very open
to new religions and cultures. While also keeping long held
traditions like maintaining a royal party. The UK has changed
greatly and has become much more cosmopolitan and
multicultural. This makes it an exciting and welcoming place
to live. As well as being home to many immigrant communities,
the UK sees millions of tourists, business visitors, and
international students from all over the world.

The USA due to its immense size and diverse heritage has
one of the most complex cultural identities in the world.
Millions of immigrants from all over the globe have
journeyed to America since the Europeans discovered and
colonised the land back in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Just to mention a few more multicultural countries:

Canada, Netherlands, New Zealand, France, Sweden, Belgium,
Italy, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, Greece, India, Malaysia,
Indonesia, Singapore, Phillipines, to name just a few.

Much as some people are against multiculturalism
a country's history needs to be looked at. In many cases
it shows that many countries have always been multicultural.
It also shows that there are many economic and social benefits
of being a multicultural nation.

The UK is most definitely multicultural. And it has always
been. For a start it's made up of 4 different nations.
England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. They are all
different nations with different dialects, customs, music, and
languages.

When the Romans, Vikings, and Normans, invaded the UK they
brought their cultures and languages with them and many English
words have French, German, or Scandinavian origins.

Furthermore because of the proximity to Europe the UK has a long
history of trade with other European nations and that inevitably
has meant the free movement of people including marriages.

The British Royal Family is very multicultural and that is before
Meghan Markle. So many of the British Kings and Queens have come
from European families as have their wives and husbands.

Britain has even been ruled by European monarchs. William I
was Norman.

The UK's colonial past also explains their multiculturalism.

During the British Empire many Britons went to live and work
in colonies around the world. And many colonial subjects
came to Britain.

So once again - those against multiculturalism need to look
at things in context. And much as you may not like
multiculturalism - it is here tp stay and in reality has always
existed.

I have never been to the USA so I can only go by what I see on TV.
Just about every house has the American flag at the front gate & I haven't heard of local Councils there not raising the flag in fear of upsetting some welfare guzzling immigrants. I have seen reports of that happening here.
As for multiculturalism being a success ? Well, how many communities are there here where the varied immigrants are a majority & live in harmony & create a functioning society as economically as an Anglo Saxon one.
p.s.
If someone can write this last line in a way it can't be deemed racist by opportunistic racists , please post it here.

From my perspective those that believe in multiculturalism are racist.

indyvidual,

You ask how many communities are there here in Australia
that live in harmony like the Anglo ones? This country started
out as a penal colony and the early history and what followed
cannot be described as : living in harmony," by an stretch of
the imagination. Immigrants coming to this country formed their
own communities - from the Baltic people, Lithuanians, Latvians,
Estonians, to the Greeks, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Germans,
and many others who contributed in so many ways economically as
well setting up businesses and industries from the wine, construction,
and many others. Including building our country's infrastructures.

Which ones according to you don't live in harmony?

Bad people exist in all communities including ones with
Anglo ancestries. Look at the criminal history of this country
and who the criminals were and ran the crime syndicates.
A mixed lot weren't they? And still are. We are one and we are many
and from all the lands on earth we come...

But we are all Australian!

And to say that only one lot are is in today's Australia being
nto only unrealistic but racist.

CM,

"From my (CM) perspective those that believe in multiculturalism are racist."

As a white supremacist you would say that. People with your way of thinking don't see themselves as racists, but just the opposite

Anyone who doesn't accept the reality of multicultural
Australia has a very narrow-mindset and vision.

I watched the Australia Day celebrations from Canberra
this year. The inclusion of our First Nations people, their
speeches, ceremonies, dance, music, and flags, made it more special.
And the citizenship ceremony that followed - showed how wide our
diversity really is. With people from around the globe proudly
pledging their allegiance to this country and being happy and proud
to be recognized as Australians.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't the indigenous recognised as equal Australians since 1967 ?
The dilemma seems to be they themselves or rather too many of them don't seem to think so !
Being a citizen of a Nation is vastly different to being indigenous as far as the responsibility stakes are concerned. Everyone has the same Rights but when some think they don't require the same responsibilities then the Rights dwindle.
Being there is vastly different to being a contributing member of a society particularly when the benefits of society are demanded. To my knowledge, no-one has yet opted out & requested to revert back to a pre-Colonialisation way of existence & forfeit the modern conveniences &
leaving incapacitated fend for themselves.

Equality is a word, and in the immediate period after the 67 referendum the Coalition government continued to discriminate against Aboriginal people. Pronouncing one "equal" without equality of action on both sides does not make one so. Successive governments of both persuasions, starting with Whitlam in 72, and carried to the present time continued to impose 'European Settler' responses to Aboriginal issues, often well meaning, but doomed to failure. By assuming that 'European Settler' mentality white Australia was being both discriminatory and racists.

BTW, racism comes in many forms, from the hard core haters to the softly spoken well intended.

impose 'European Settler' responses to Aboriginal issues,
Paul1405,
When European settler beneficial side effects are what the indigenous covet then the indigenous have to eventually come to accept that such benefits come from the European attitude to responsibility. Many Indigenous have not provided anything of their doing & effort. They've been denied access to the land their ancestors frequented but that is an eternity away from contribution. What the indigenous of Australia claim as having been stolen is something they had no input in creating yet what the Australian indigenous desire are the benefits that resulted from European design & toil.
Why is that some Aborigines are in fact more successful in their pursuits of modern European values than many non-indigenous Australians ? I know Aborigines & Islanders who own homes & occupy positions many non-indigenous Australians can only dream of but you don't put them up as role models for "your' people ? Is it because 'your' people are generally like yourself whose only efforts go into bleating victim to a racism that only exists in their indoctrinated mind ?
Aboriginal issues can only be responded to in an Aboriginal sense if non-European based outcomes are desired. European commodities require European thinking & planning !

Dear Paul,

We need to vote YES for Indigenous recognition in our
constitution.

As Australians we pride ourselves on our diverse and
vibrant society. One important piece of our history has
not yet been recognized in our constitution and that is the
65,000 years of continuous cultural connection to this land
by Indigenous Australians, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people.

By voting YES in the referendum we create a pathway for
Indigenous Australians to speak directly to the government
of of the day about things that work on the ground of their
communities. This will mean fewer misdirected resources
and real results for Indigenous Australians.

The Uluru statement is ultimately about sovereignty, and Lydia is ahead of Labor. According to Legal Affairs Contributor at the Australian Chris Merritt, the Uluru statement may have been “plugged in and imported” from the Republic of Zaire. Core of the Uluru statement is assertion that about sovereignty,
The Labor party has endorsed it, it’s being taught in some schools, but when you look at it … it didn’t come out of Uluru originally.

“It came out of a judgement of the International Court of Justice that was put forward by the representative of the Republic of Zaire.”

Nothing beats the Grand Wizard of the Australian Chapter of the Ku Klux Klan when it comes to racism and way out conspiracy theories. Here he is pushing the absurdity that the 'Uluru Statement from the Heart' has some connection to the African Republic of Zaire! Where does he get this from, none other than a Murdoch Toady, a bloke named Merritt.

I'm can't decide who is the biggest racists on this Forum, there's so many, but this guy works harder than most at getting the prize.

this guy works harder than most at getting the prize.
Paul1405,
No need to worry, that title is yours for life !

Indy,

And you with your racists slurs! Are you still saying I'm a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY" because I told you I have Aboriginal ancestry? There is no bigger racists than some of the white trash which found its way here after WWII.

What matters is the final report as presented to Parliament
by Ken Wyatt and which was worked on by Prof. Marcia
Langton and her team that set our the structure and role of
the Voice and which began work on regional and local issues.

It is unfortunate that people like Lidia Thorpe and other small
minorities are causing problems and claiming to speak on behalf
of Aboriginal people. They don't. The same as a few on the forum
and in their communities claim to speak on behalf of all
Australians.

Of course the debate needs to be had - but ultimately it will be
the MAJORITY of Australian people who will decide the outcome
and the result of the Voice. The mischief-makers on both sides
will become a distant memory.

What is the point of the Voice if it does not advise on Land Rights for aboriginals who want to practice their culture and law? This means moving pastoralists and mines and dams from aboriginal sites.

Josephus,

Are you so rabidly racists against Aboriginal people that you would deny them everything possible, it seems so. I don't believe you are some god fearing happy clapper at all, as you claim to be. You say nothing about your "church", and by the opinions you preach here, you're no Christian at all.

I caught you out when you claimed Aboriginal children being fostered,
that their white foster parents, in this case your wife, "refused" to take such a child, because the government offered a financial bribe to do so. When I called you out on that, you backed tracked and claimed it happened 50 years ago. In the white world that prevailed back then that was possibly true, but you wanted the reader to believe it was today's practice.

Paul1405,
Bunnies come in all colours including white !

Hi ho Indy

How about we kick 95% of the greedy, and only keep the 5% of the needy on the Aged Pension. We then reduce aged welfare expenditure by 90%, and at the same time double the Aged Pension for the truly needy. For you and the rest, there will be "food stamps" and not to forget the 'Seniors National Service'. Isn't that a ripper of an idea? You'd be up for that.

p/s, When you get a chance could you drop Albo a line protesting those changes to superannuation, particularly for the poor 17 Aussie battlers who have a measly $100 million in their supa accounts. A shameful idea! How will these poor folk afford a decent butler, house maid and chauffeur, not to forget the running expenses on the "RR", when they eventually retire! Heaven forbid, one may even be forced to mix ones own martini's, perish the thought.

battlers who have a measly $100 million
Paul1405,
Yes and, those poor 300,000 or so battler bureaudroids on 1-2.9 million Super who ride on the backs of a handful of real public Servants who are doing what they get paid for.
Actually, how many of you bureaudroids are there ? Are there more or less than 300,000 ?
Anyone here from the bureaudroid union who could provide the correct figures ?

Paul it you who support racism. My wife fostered many aboriginal babies, and gave them the same love and care as any child in her care. You constantly misrepresent and continually show your ignorance. Be a man of honesty and integrity!

Actually,
I'd much rather have Paul1405 engaged in meaningful discussions on improving on the present circumstances for the times to come rather than being sucked into this nonsense of sarcastic quip exchange. It serves no purpose & I'm truly surprised the moderator hasn't put a stop to this.
It's getting embarrassing so I'll (AGAIN) try to ignore Paul's sarcastic taunts !

And you Indy, with your constant disparaging remarks about public servants, with the silly and offensive references to what you call bureaudroids, which are non existent. In fact public servants have a right to work just as any other Australian does, and they serve Australia well. You show an unreasonable dislike for people, and you post it whenever you get the opportunity. I lampoon the likes of you for no other reason than your constant hypocrisy.

If you want to run the show, then start your own show.

Foxy said-

Comment 1. The UK is most definitely multicultural. And it has always
been. For a start it's made up of 4 different nations.
England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. They are all
different nations with different dialects, customs, music, and
languages.

Answer 1- Foxy said that the UK is made of 4 nations- given that those four groups of people generally stay in their own territory- they are still like 4 nations. But there are efforts to mix in corrupting influences to destroy their culture as I suspect Foxy is pleased about.

Comment 2- When the Romans, Vikings, and Normans, invaded the UK they
brought their cultures and languages with them and many English
words have French, German, or Scandinavian origins.

Answer 2- Romans, Vikings, Normans are all European cultures mostly Nordic/ Germanic and they either came in relatively small numbers or like the Romans left. They raped and pillaged and left cultural artifacts but the genetics were fairly intact. The Indian invasion of Britain is another matter- why don't Indian's prefer the country of their heritage and ancestors- perhaps because India's population has gone from 700 Million in 1950 to it's current value in 2023 above 1,400 Million.

Comment 3- Furthermore because of the proximity to Europe the UK has a long
history of trade with other European nations and that inevitably
has meant the free movement of people including marriages.

Answer 3- Perhaps there was "movement" of people with genetically similar people on the European mainland a handfull of times over thousands of years but I wouldn't call it "free movement" across the treacherous English Channel with it's Cliff's Of Dover. Which is probably why foreign invaders to Britain tended to come from the North or West

Comment 4- The British Royal Family is very multicultural and that is before
Meghan Markle. So many of the British Kings and Queens have come
from European families as have their wives and husbands.

Answer 4- Many of the British Royal Family were inbred which often indicates very close genetic heritage over generations- probably even closer than the general population. The rules against breeding outside of class rank kept genetic lines closed across Europe- but exceptions were sometimes made for excellence and with discipline social climbing could be successful. I'm not sure how much the new rich after Henry VIII's time affected the genetics of Britain. ie. European Royalty had fairly closed genetic lines even though they were distributed over several countries- ie. not really multicultural in a sense. But still physical attributes of European Royalty seem to imply a mostly Nordic / Germanic ancestry. Perhaps in a sense you could at an extreme stretch say that the British Royal Family was Multi-European but not Multi-Cultural in a broad sense- just more Communist variations on a theme "possibility is probability" trickery.

But Foxy seems to want to justify the genocide of the western world by saying that there has always been genocide in the western world.

In a sense there have always been wars but some are worse than others.

One Hundred Million Dead Under COMMUNISM!

"Thank you Stalin for my wonderful childhood."- billboards in communist Russia- horrible.

Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 4 March 2023 6:17:48 AM

CM, "From my (CM) perspective those that believe in multiculturalism are racist."

As a white supremacist you would say that. People with your way of thinking don't see themselves as racists, but just the opposite

Answer-

If Paul1405 and Communist-Supremacists agree and believe that people who believe certain principles should be allowed additional rights (or people who don't believe certain principle should be denied certain rights)- then you could say that Communists are a form of Supremacist ideology- (perhaps all ideologies are a form of Supremacism)- then if Paul1405 believes in similar principles to Communists then you could argue that perhaps Paul1405 is a Communist in a sense.

Both Paul1405 and Communist-Supremacists seem to agree and believe that-

1. Equality and Fairness-

Definition- some say power is embodied in three elements of expertise/ money/ physical force.

Defn- Often it's helpful to understand what different ideologies perceive as the "problems" and "solutions" in order to reconcile perceived reality.

The "Communist Marx" talked about the "problem" wealth concentrates power to form a closed class that is universally corrupting and degenerate .

In the "opposing view" (merit/hero/wealth) competitive productivity produces greater universal material wealth and therefore the "unfairness problem" is an unfortunate but necessary result of the "problem" of greater universal material wealth- in fact the creation of the wealth class represents of competitiveness of different ideologies against nature- the universe isn't fair or equal because environments change and people are different but working with people at your level for the common wealth is likely to lift your social groups statue and others around you- social groups that use suicidal ideologies will die and no one can help them even if they wanted to. The wealth class is less corrupting and degenerate because it rejects the un-wealthy (Social Darwinism), those not able to create excess resources in competition with the natural world.

It's interesting that in the above "Communism" is a top down ideology and the "opposing wealth view" is bottom up- in a sense Communism seems more patriarchal despite claims to the opposite- similar to Chinese Taoism- "Communist Taoism" seems to be prevalent throughout it's policies.

In a sense you could argue that tax money to equalize society should be taken from the poor rather than the rich. In order to teach them to manage their resources better so they can become rich.

In the view of the rich society is eternally imperfect/ non-utopian and it's necessary to be self sufficient and investigate strategies of survival and stability in spite of the imperfection- under Communism there is an appeal to fairness- and originally Marx talked about the failings of Utopianism but then created his own.

There seem to be other "problems" on which Paul1405 agrees with Communist-Supremacy despite his claims against Communism

Symbiosis is much preferable to Parasitism !

On another thread I have mhaze calling me a commo for wanting peace in Ukraine. Now this CM is also accusing me of being a commo, accusations are cheap fellas. I suspect this pair meet on a Wednesday night with the like minded, in some dingy basement to discuss how many commo's they have uncovered for the week.

Indyvidual said- Symbiosis is much preferable to Parasitism !

Answer- Agreed- thanks for your feedback Indyvidual.

Thinking of Paul1405 and Communist Supremicism-

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day

It has a similar feeling of irony to that of "Communist Supremicist Ying Yang Taoism" itself.

Will the Voice help reduce Racism or will it help to make it more wide-spread ?

Canem Malum,

These accusations of yours that Communism is rife in Australia. The majority of your posts make reference to Communism and/or Communists, so it occupies a lot of your thinking. You seem fixated with the notion that there are huge numbers of Reds in Australian political life, manipulating, controlling, plotting, scheming, up to all sorts of skulduggery to subvert the nation.

The question is. Can you Canem Malum name those leading Australian political figures, and associated figures (regardless of affiliation, party or organisation) you actually consider to be openly Communists, or Communists in disguise?

For a man of your undoubted intellectual knowledge, that should be a very easy question. I'm all ears!

Now, now, I'll get in early, no cutting and running, as one might expect you will do.

name those leading Australian political figures, and associated figures (regardless of affiliation, party or organisation) you actually consider to be openly Communists, or Communists in disguise?
Paul1405,
As if they'd come forward & openly declare a resounding Yes !

What are you Indy this cruds personal assistant. I don't expect this blow hard to name anyone as a Communist, he doesn't know of any, just makes accusation without evidence.

Indy, was that YOU at the Souths/Penrith footy match last night vilifying a Souths player of Aboriginal decent with racial slurs. Maybe he was called a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY' like YOU called me, after all they are the South Sydney Rabbitohs and that's my footy team.