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Dr. Kerryn Phelps was once a darling of the woke left. As head of the AMA she was a bane to conservatives at all levels, running against and defeating the Libs in a by-election for Wentworth. As a lesbian she was a natural fit for any show on (y)our ABC and was regularly trotted out as the authoritative face of medicine. She was a great spruiker for the mask mandate.

But I don't think she'll be getting too many gigs on the ABC in the future.

She made a submission to the Long Covid inquiry saying "This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet,...I continue to observe the devastating effects a year-and-a-half later with the addition of fatigue and additional neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several specialists who have told me that they have seen ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation.”

“In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure fluctuations.”

Both incidents, according to Dr. Phelps, were reported to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) “but never followed up.”

And the killer comment....

"“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunization, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,”

As I pointed out in a previous discussion Big Pharma lied about the efficacy of the vaccine. Now we are finding out that government actively sought to suppress data about the dangers of the vaccine.

They all lied....Proceed accordingly.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 6 January 2023 5:54:26 PM
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I know nothing about 'long covid', but I have read that much of it seems to be psychological, and suffered mainly by women. Who knows? Who cares? We were told lies by people like Phelps. I don't think there is any sympathy heading their way.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 6 January 2023 10:04:49 PM
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Hi mhaze,

I've followed Dr Phelps and her career with some interest
for a while and she appeared at least to me to be a
caring professional genuinely interested in helping
people which I'm sure is a good attribute to have for a
doctor. Also as far as I know she's highly
respected in both her profession, in politics, and her
family love her.

Her concern about the pfizer vaccine sounds genuine - and
as a doctor she's obligated to pass on her knowledge and
experience with the drug to others. Not to do so would be
unprofessional and dangerous.

I also had a mild reaction to the pfizer vaccine. But it did not
last long and I certainly don't regret having taken it. I have
not had COVID - and I trust I won't if I keep taking all the
booster shots as needed. I believe in following the advice
of our medical professionals. Especially when most of them
seem to agree with each other.

I feel that this reaction that Dr Phelps has experienced with her
partner is extremely rare - and I haven't done the research on
this matter as what could have caused it. It is unfortunate that
this happened but I'd like to know on the law of averages - how
many cases such as hers have there been - before condemning
and finger-pointing.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 January 2023 7:39:57 AM
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" I'd like to know on the law of averages - how
many cases such as hers have there been"

Yes I think we'd all like to know that. But since the authorities, not just here but everywhere the vaccines were pushed, are actively suppressing the data, it's unlikely we'll find out any time soon.

But there are pointers to the extent of the problem eg...
http://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/24/heart-deaths-spike-during-booster-vaccine-rollout-as-excess-non-covid-deaths-approach-25000/

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7

At this point there is no definitive data. Part of the reason is the lack of interest in finding definitive data.

But that wasn't my point. I was more interested in Phelps, a signed up member of the woke collective, admitting that doctors and other 'experts' have been intimidated into silence about the dangers and adverse effects of the vaccines.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 7 January 2023 8:57:55 AM
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mhaze,

How has Dr Phelps been intimated into silence
if she spoke out?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 January 2023 9:31:14 AM
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"How has Dr Phelps been intimated into silence
if she spoke out?"

Huh?

She wasn't intimidated. She was saying others have been. Did you read her statement?
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:01:39 AM
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mhaze,

My apologies. I misunderstood.

However, isn't it understandable for the government not
wanting to spread panic due to just some reactions to this
vaccine? To condemn something until all the facts are
in would be irresponsible - surely? Especially when the priority
is saving lives.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:21:31 AM
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No way I would touch their foul JAB.

I & the family have taken Quercetain, Zinc & D-3 to boost & support our immune systems, & I acquired Ivermectin & Ziverdo kits from India. Despite taking no special precautions other than that, none of us have needed the Ivermectin. I have used it to help a couple of quintessences who did become infected.

I believe it is criminal that our government & medical profession have prohibited our easy access to the drug & treatment procedure that knocked the virus dead in major Indian provinces of hundreds of million population.

I hope those who have been silly enough to get the JAB do not become part of the unexpected sudden death syndrome so rampant today. If you haven't heard about it, try some non MSn sources.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 7 January 2023 12:09:05 PM
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" isn't it understandable for the government not
wanting to spread panic"

Yeah/no.

I not really in favour of governments suppressing information in order to get people to do things they wouldn't do if they had all the information. Its a democracy thing.

____________________________________________________________________

Hasbeen,

You might like this...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/12/remember_the_horse_paste_hullabaloo_about_ivermectin.html

One nice comment I saw from the US was that the government did more to suppress the distribution of Ivermectin than they have to suppress the spread of Fentanyl.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 8 January 2023 3:52:14 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Struth you RWNJs don't give up do you.

Phrelps did indeed made a submission to the Long Covid inquiry.In it she lambasted some of the misinformation you and your ilk have been putting about.

Quote

“Herd immunity from mass infection is a good idea.”xvii No it isn’t.
“It’s just a cold”. No it is not.

“Masks don’t work, in fact they might increase your risk”xiv. Wrong.

Daily press conferences by public health officials emphasised that of the people who died, many had “underlying health issues”, as if that made the premature deaths of those people any less tragic.

End quote

She said: “I personally know medical colleagues who have had to cease practice or substantially reduce their hours because of concern about being exposed to the infection, or the effects of Long COVID.”

And

““Learning to live with the virus” is some dystopian term that has been generated to deceive the population into carrying on as usual. Until they can’t.”

Phelps laments:

“With the removal of isolation requirements and mask mandates or inadequate recommendations for masking and air filtration and ventilation, those at greater risk of the consequences of infection or reinfection have to make a risk assessment for every potential interaction, including their work environment, medical appointments, investigations and procedures, family events and celebrations or even doing their supermarket shopping. Grandparents are having to make the heart-breaking decision to choose between protecting themselves from COVID infection and reinfection vs regular contact with their grandchildren.”

She advocates for among other things:

“Access to high quality N95 or equivalent masks with evidence-based targeted mandates”

And

“A return to mandated isolation of infected individuals through the infectious period”

I am sure you are fully onboard with your new champion.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 8 January 2023 5:01:50 PM
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Let's just wait & see how the Albanese Government will handle the next Covid wave now that travel junkies can re-boot their Go-Pro waving selfie jaunts.
Let's see this outfit put their administrative prowess on display. They kept telling us the last Govt. did everything wrong. Now this lot has the benefit of hindsight !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 8 January 2023 5:59:13 PM
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"I am sure you are fully onboard with your new champion."

Yes SR that's how it works. If you agree with one thing someone says, then you obviously agree with their every utterance. Struth!!

(just to be clear, that was sarcasm....I know these things often go over your head.)
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:25:04 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Your fixation about things going over your head and issues with numbers presents as so much self projection on your behalf.

Whenever you get called out on number incompetency you accuse others of the same.

Your scurrying to the minutia has been your constant whether it is Covid or Climate Change.

Tiresome? Yes, but a little amusing at the same time.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 8 January 2023 7:02:43 PM
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"Your scurrying to the minutia"

Governments supressing information about the dangers of a drug they are requiring the population to take is minutia? Well that's an interesting take.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 9 January 2023 5:13:41 AM
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The problem with much of the opposition to the covid vaccines has been that the focus has been on absurd conspiracy theories. I am part of a network of 62 university based researchers that have documented the research that has shown that the vaccines have limited eficacy and are driven more by the pharmaceutical companies to generate profits from the pandemic. There are now over a 1000 peer reviewed papers which demonstrate that the vaccination programme has been designed to generate profits big pharma.
A very good overview can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvURcpg3JE
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 9 January 2023 9:04:49 AM
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ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

They knew: why didn't the unvaccinated do more to warn us?
http://iqfy.com/unvaccinated-silence/

The unvaccinated knew what we didn't. Some of them said too little. Most said nothing at all. A lot of blood is now on their hands.

As the world struggles to come to terms with the devastating effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, one question that continues to surface is why the unvaccinated didn't do more to warn us about the potential dangers of being injected.

While well intending citizens lined up, did the right thing, and received their COVID19 vaccinations -- now seeming to do more harm than good -- their unvaccinated friends stood by and let them do it. Some of them said too little. Some said nothing at all.

Even though they knew what we didn't.

Our blood is now on their hands.

Those are strong words. But the unvaccinated had access to important information about the potential side effects of vaccines. They knew about the risks of severe allergic reactions, blood clots, and other serious health complications. They knew that vaccines did not immunize us. They knew it wasn't effective, and that they can cause more harm than good.

They knew all of that, but instead of warning us, the unvaccinated chose to remain silent. They chose to look the other way and not speak out about the potential dangers of vaccines. They let millions of good folks who did the right thing (at the time) fall to death and disease, and many antivaxxers even gloated online about how their coin flip had been the right bet. The more diabolical even urged folks they disagree with to "get boosted."

It has become all too clear. The silence of the unvaccinated was a dangerous, sociopathic, and irresponsible decision that has had serious consequences for those of us who received the vaccinations.

And silence is, after all, consent.

[Cont.]
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 January 2023 3:38:29 PM
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It is time for the unvaccinated to take responsibility for their actions and to work with the rest of us to find a solution to this crisis. We cannot afford to let their selfishness and lack of action continue to harm our communities. It is time for the unvaccinated to step up and do the right thing.

The unvaccinated should by any moral measuring stick have done more to warn about the potential risks -- to help us make informed decisions about our health. And they must now ask us for our forgiveness.

And, hand to heart, we may just give it to them.

Because we are good people. We took those injections because it was the right thing to do -- until it wasn't.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 January 2023 3:39:40 PM
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Hey BAYGON,

Conspiracy theorists smelled something was off right from the start.
Maybe this shows you people aren't as smart as you think you are.
I'm unvaxxed, and proudly so.

"I am part of a network of 62 university based researchers"

What did you do to prevent an untested vaccine from being forced on millions of Australians producing the mass side effects we're now hearing about?

Nothing.
Yet you blame people like me.
Looks like the blame game is in full effect anyway.

Beds and medical services cut as Queensland hospital workers defy COVID-19 vaccination mandate
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/qld-coronavirus-covid19-health-staff-vaccine-mandate/100588708

"More than 8 per cent of Central Queensland Hospital and Health Service (CQHHS) workers have failed to comply with the COVID-19 vaccination mandate, forcing cuts to surgical, medical and mental health beds."

If you want to blame others, then I blame you university know-it-alls for contributing to wrecking the health system and the school system.
Good job morons.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 January 2023 3:50:57 PM
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