Loudmouth, if my mom had not popped me out, I would not know a thing
about it, so it frankly would not matter. In fact, if she'd stopped
for a cup of tea first, most likely another of the billions of sperms
would have won the race, I would not be here either. So what?

I remind you that there are plenty of countries who have reduced
their birthrates, without having a pension plan in place. Fact
is that in Haiti the Catholic Church reigns supreme, so I'd
be surprised if much effort was made to supply the popultion with
any kind of family planning, or abortion services for that matter.

*People are precious*

You are starting to sound like the religious here, Loudmouth.
It sounds impressive, as you pontificate. Yet with most religions,
we know its mostly hot air. I have yet to see them flog off the
splendours of Rome, to feed the starving babies.

Have you sold off your computer yet, to feed another starving baby?

It's all about contraception and feminism

Hiatians know kids are hard to feed, but they don't have knowledge or money for contraception...

China forced a one-child policy on it's people and the result is the greatest increase in wealth in human history.

Thailand and Iran promote contraception and give free hormone implants (implants last years). They have achieved similar population management and are creating future wealth for their people.

Meanwhile, the "middle class" western nations are suiciding. Apart from immigration, we are all dying rapidly.

Whole families are dying out... People who should be grandparents are instead dog-owners.

Why are middle-class societies suiciding?
What's wrong with us?

One... word - Feminism! Islam and tradition cultures are "anti-feminist".

Everywhere you read that "if you educate women, then fertility decreases" ("educating" women is a code-word for feminism). Why is it wrong to say "if women get too much power, fertility keeps dropping below replacement"?

Middle-class men are refusing to become fathers... the "fatherhood strike" is resulting in large numbers of our best and brightest women being unable to find a man willing to become husbands and fathers... professional firms are full of desperately single attractive childless professional women.

There aren't enough professional men for all the professional women because 6-out-of-ten graduates are women, due to feminism in school education.

These 6 women are hoping to marry one of the four professional men...

But one marries his secretary, one is gay, one is on the fatherhood strike, leaving only one available man for these 6 professional women.

The 'fatherhood strike' is the result of 30 years of feminism... men know that marrige and divorce means long years of long hours at work... carrying the double-load of paying the mortgage and missing out on time with their kids. Then wifey divorces them and keeps everything... If you get the kids you get everything...

Men aren't commitment "phobic" they are afraid... men are saying NO!

This is a tragedy for men, women and is the begining of the end for western democracy... destroyed by feminism.

Hi Yabby,

I'm sure that you would appreciate my reluctance to go into details about my relationship with Opus Dei and His Holiness, and how much and how regularly I'm paid to propagandise on their behalf. But as an atheist of probable Protestant ancestry (I'm not sure), it's not really likely to be the case.

I love good conspiracy theories, but if we thought about it, they are really not much more than relatively sophisticated ad hominem arguments - if you don't like some bloke's arguments and don't want to get too insulting, you pin some conspiracy on him/her: it saves the bother of sticking to an argument.

I do believe that people are precious, even overseas ones, Yabby, even Black ones, as a marxist and as an Internationalist who believes in the brotherhood and sisterhood of all human beings. Everybody has potential to contribute to the wellbeing of humanity, if they have the opportunities that you and I have had. But I suppose Internationalism is so passe these days.

As for donations, I have just sent off a cheque to MSF. My wife passed away a couple of years ago and I have helped to set up a Scholarship in her name for Indigenous women like her, in their second or later year of university study, enrolled in a mainstream course. Can I assume that you would like to make a contribution ? Or are you too - excuse the ad hominem - just another armchair w@nker ?

Joe Lane

Loudmouth, I certainly did not claim that you were religious, merely
letting the rhetoric fly, as they do.

Fact is that in places like Nigeria, some mothers try to give their
babies away. In Ethiopia, some feed them to the hyenas, when they
feel that they can't cope with yet another one. IMHO, if all
babies were wanted, most of these problems would vanish. Good old
family planning globally could achieve this.

Back to the point. You seemingly place more value on your ability
to fool around on the internet, using your computer, then to sell
it, to provide food for yet another starving baby, which you have
told us, you deem as precious.

Fair enough, I could be wrong, you could be posting from the library.

What you do in your armchair, is your business and does not concern
me lol. Whatever gets you through the night, Loudmouth :)

Part Time Parent: if you commence a separate posting entitled 'Feminism' I will be the first or second to submit some comments as to how I view the related term 'Feminism' from a female point of view and as a mature non-materialistic and non-academic female and mother. I sympathise with your views if you have been burned by a spouse; however, one should never generalise, just as I do not generalise about fathers nor about the term 'Feminists'.

Career climbers is a term I use for public servants climbing up the corporate ladder be it male or female. Those females wishing to marry public servants; good luck to them. I do temp contracts in the public service [casually for 17yrs] and never bothered about marrying a public servant nor attracted to one. Married a farmer instead. I know plenty of female public servants who have married tradies and non-public servants, who are quite high up the corporate ladder. Interesting to view your source of information.

From the CIA World Factbook statistics, it is easy to calculate that Haiti has an average of 0.086 hectares of arable land per person with the existing population and that the population has a 38 year doubling time. Vaclav Smil at the University of Manitoba has calculated that 0.07 hectares of arable land on average is required to give an individual a nutritionally adequate vegetarian diet. This assumes modern farming techniques, but no expensive chemical inputs. I have seen a UN Food and Agriculture Organisation report that puts it at 0.053 hectares with the full panoply of modern agriculture.

It ought to be obvious, even to Loudmouth, that Haiti has a problem with growing enough food and would have a problem even if it were led by the greatest statesmen in world history. Of course, Haiti is run by a kleptocratic elite and has massive social inequality. It qualifies as a failed state and is kept going with international food aid. See

http://www.earthpolicy.org/index.php?/book_bytes/2010/pb4ch01_ss5

People like Loudmouth always bring up Singapore and Hong Kong. Those people would starve if a wall were built around their territory. They get by because they produce goods and services that they can trade for food. One person in a peasant village may be able to support his family by working as a shoemaker, even if he doesn't own any land, but they can't all do it. People only need so many shoes, and someone has to grow the food.

It would take a massive effort on many fronts to turn Haiti around, but family planning has to be part of it, as Yabby has pointed out.