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China and Google: searching for trouble : Comments

By Jonathan Fenby, published 22/1/2010

However unhappy, no one can divorce China now.

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I suggest you all read Jeff Rubin's book, I am halfway through,
Why Your World is About to Get a Lot Smaller.
Search on Youtube he has given a number of talks that are on there.

At first China will be able to throw its weight around as they have
tied up a lot of oil and coal for themselves with out right purchases
or long term contracts. The "west" will be at a disadvantage for a
while, but soon enough they will be in a worse situation than we will.

Globalisation is going to end quite quickly as the transport costs of
shipping goods around the world escalates.
Steel and furniture is already moving back to the US.
The canaries in the cage have already started dying, eg JAL & others.

Solutions to improve our relative disadvantage.
1. Cease export of natural gas. We are going to need it for internal transport.
2. Stop selling land to Chinese and other foreign governments and
pseudo private companies.
3. Stop the sale of energy resources to foreign countries and companies.
4. Tighten foreign investment rules.
5. The government to prepare to take control of oil market buying.

If you think this is an isolationist policy, you are right it is !
Survival of any reasonable standard of living will mean sawing off the rest of the world.
No one can be sure just how much time we have, but you almost
certainly have enough fingers to count on.
Make no mistake about it, it really is going to be a case of look
after yourself and the devil take the hindmost.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 25 January 2010 12:15:49 PM
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SM,
Of course its a matter of degree! There is no nation in the world that its citizenry is 'absolutely' free so therefore, it is always a matter of degree.
However, it is ludicrous hyperbole to suggest that we are within a bull's roar of comparable to China with regard to government control, with or without the Labor governments net censoring.

Perhaps I'm cynical, but I wonder what your point was? Look out, centralized CCP style government is around the corner? That sounds more like the blinkered, bewildered baffled Col than you.

When the government as a matter of policy tracks down political subversive comments like these implicit implications and lock you up for them, you can rely on me going feral and springing you on principal. In the mean time ...give over.
Posted by examinator, Monday, 25 January 2010 4:39:24 PM
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Shadow Minister, when I read examinator’s attack on China’s censorship and the mitigation for Senator Conroy’s proposal, I was overwhelmed by a sense bewilderment. It is almost as if examinator really believes there is a difference between censorship in different parts of the world.

Perhaps we could start a “kitty” to fund a study tour to China for examinator? One way ticket of course.
Posted by spindoc, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 8:04:51 AM
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Chinese leaders public policy can be understood in terms of their fear of the risks of another revolution that will not only sweep them from power, but hold them accountable for past abuses.

To win hearts and minds, Chinese nationalism is given full support, regardless of the means to achieving greatness. Great riches and power are the rewards to loyal party supporters. Intimidation and summary justice will be served to dissadents.

There are so many internal groups that are angry:
Victims of land stealing corrupt regional leaders,
Population groups targetted for ethnic discrimination,
Growing discrepancies between rich and poor regions,
Employees suffering in some of the world's worst workplaces and
Intellectuals fed up with being fed on a diet of lies and half truths.

The rest of the world needs to develop consistent and resolute strategies to deal effectively to bring about ethical change in China.
Posted by Quick response, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:09:24 PM
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Examinator,

The censorship board would be able without oversight to restrict any content that is refused classification (which is so broad as to include almost anything if they wish), without explanation and without recourse.

In brief, without any modification to the laws, or notification to the public the censorship could be ramped up to the level that China employs.

The powers this legislation gives the censors is too broad, too strong, and without remedy.

This is like giving the police the unchallanged authority to shoot to kill, and telling the public, that they will only shoot bad guys. It is only a matter of degree to including political protesters as "bad guys".

No one is absolutely free, but in a free society the government is transparent and accountable. This legislation is neither.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:26:53 PM
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