Davies

You have the gall to tell me to grow up because in your view the ANU is a world class institution, but then quote an ABC piece by Emma Alberici as evidence of this global conspiracy against the atmosphere.What a joke.

You have the gall to tell me to grow up when it is you and Glikson who as scientific members of this world class institution make sweeping assertions and unsubstantiated allegations about people in some industries, to justify your own paranoias, and perhaps to counter what you percieve may be happening in political spheres.

If thats the way people in this world class insitution behave as a matter of course then god help us.

Hey Guys.

First of all it was Greenhouse gases that were warming the earth. Then
Global warming then it went on to be Climate Change. To me and I have
studied this at University, not one of the academics I studied under
accepted human activity was creating the increase of CO2 and/0r Greenhouse gases. We were enhancing it though. Fossil fuels and tree clearance as in South America were altering pollution levels around large populated urban areas, and altering precipitation patterns.

Greenhouse gases (the largest being water vapor or clouds) does keep
the earth's temperature from freezing. WE ARE A ICE PLANET! This is good. For those in temperate or colder regions do you notice frost doesn't form when there is a cloud cover? Or if you have adventured into a desert area note that the day is bleeding hot, and the night bleeding cold? No cloud cover! As there are no greenhouse gases or water vapor there in that micro climate.

However, think for once! Should a mini ice age or longer ice age develop who will be most affected by this? Northern America, Northern
Europe and Asia. They would not be able to grow crops as seasons
will be too short. Water vapour will be reduced, so less rain.
Although, in the Southern Hemisphere things won't be so bad. (Come on down to Australia, no forget that, we have too many here already! LOL)

The Greens are against land usage and animal husbandry, and desalination water plants. They want to ban electric cars? And nuclear electricity plants. All for solar thermal, geothermal and wind generated electricity. Fine but even Denmark can't sustain
their electricity supplies purely by wind generated electricity. They depend on coal fueled electricity plants. Yet Denmark is the biggest oil producer in the world (running out) and the largest wind generator manufacturer in the world. Sold millions I suspect during
the Summit?

That's why people are skeptical about the Al Gores et al, they have corrupted the data to suit their hypothesis.

Viscount Monckton

I'm deeply moved by your compassion for the poor people. Would you consider acting on their behalf to prevent the ongoing crimes against humanity and the pillaging and plundering of their lands by the West's fossil fuel and mining industries:?

1. The Euro/US companies have carted off Haiti's natural resources, by digging its mountains right now, and before that, by razing whole Haitian forests to the ground for lumber to meet Western profit needs, along with the destruction of Haiti's peasant economy (elimination of Haiti’s indigenous black pigs and dumping of US rice that destroyed domestic agriculture) so that the peasant could not afford other fuel, are the primary reasons for the environmental degradation in Haiti.

2. “My name is Benny Wenda

“I am a West Papua Independence Leader and Chair of the Koteka Tribal Assembly. I am from the area where your Company has its mine.

“You just care about your Company and your Business. You only want our Cooper and our Gold. You never care about us Papuans as Human Beings just like you.

“Rio Tinto and Freeport MacMoran just bring disaster and death in West Papua. You destroy our Sacred Mountain. You filled our rivers with rubbish.

“You give millions of Dollars to the Indonesia Military. These are the people who are killing, raping and torturing us.

“You are dealing with Robber - Indonesia - who has stolen our Land. When will you stop thinking only about money and what you can take for yourself from my Country?

“When will you start thinking of us West Papuans as Human Beings? We are Human Beings just like you!”

3. AngloGold, Barrick Gold of Canada and Newmont Mining. were financed by major banks such as UBS of Switzerland and France's Societe Generale. and their mining operations in Africa have created an ecological and health time-bomb and failed to help local people out of poverty.

No doubt you are well connected with the mining industry Viscount Monckton therefore, on behalf of the poor and oppressed, please accept my eternal gratitude in anticipation of your most worthy assistance.

Am re-posting this link as it is pertinent to the post above by Protagoras - especially since the subject of Haitian poverty was used to enhance Christopher Monckton's argument.

http://www.celsias.com/article/the-food-crisis-misery-is-profitable/

Geoff Davis “Col Rouge,

You chastise me for my opening comment … and then proceed to refer to "AGW zealots", "useful
idiots" etc etc on the way to your grand lefty conspiracy.”

So, what is your point ?

You can hardly claim the “moral Highground” when you characterise anyone who might disagree with you as an “Alf Garnett”

Do you assume I should ignore your offensive diatribe and degenerate characterization because you happen to work in “academia”?

Do you assume that, because I hold an opinion contrary to your own, an opinion which has rapidly
growing public support, that I must stand silent whilst you denigrate my view?

If you wish to avoid people like me “chastising” you

I suggest you start by lifting your game

Re “You people don't have to slag the ANU just because you don't like what a couple of us are
saying. It's a credit to your country (and mine). Grow up.”

Speaking personally, I did not slag off the ANU,

As a career academic, you might benefit from considering the merit in listening to those who are
taxed to generate the funds from which your tenure is paid,

After all the old adage

“Those who can DO and
Those who cannot TEACH”

Still holds true

Re “Useful Idiots” refers to a phrase ascribed to Lenin

Those of the “collectivist left” are first to demand that dissent be stifled, whilst
the “libertarian right” seek to preserve the rights of the individual to express their views freely and
openly.

I see the lefts desire to censor dissent at work on this thread, particularly in your “Alf Garnett” attack but I will not stand silently by whilst people like you try and ride roughshod over the rest of us.

Margaret Thatcher said

"Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic
considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always
seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag."

Some things never change

Why does bread rise when baked? Essentially, because in the process yeast releases CO2. So every loaf of bread we eat is contributing to CO2 levels.

So is the world expected to stop baking bread?