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By George Mawer, published 6/1/2010Most people think of the human race as separate from other life on Earth, but that’s a big mistake.
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Posted by renysol, Thursday, 7 January 2010 9:48:55 AM
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Hey George, while I sympathise with your perspective, I believe I see a fundamental flaw in your logic, regarding living organisms.
Let's accept for the moment that your assertion: “there is only one life on Earth and that is “The Biosphere”” is correct. One of the defining characteristics of living organisms is the ability to reproduce, or propagate. Historically, this propagation process in most cases has been initiated by an environmental problem or crisis, such as overcrowding. So far, only one species on this planet has demonstrated the ability to take living organisms outside this biosphere, and 'propagate'. The only real question to my mind is, do we act blindly as all species from the beginning have, and wait until a crisis (quite possibly of our own making) forces us (or at least a microscopically small minority, or seed population) off this rock, or do we act rationally, and plan ahead? The problem is, in order to propagate we need to climb out of a very deep gravity well, which will take enormous resources. If we continue to squander our natural resources the way we have been, we may never be able to do it; and even if we do succeed in getting that small seed population off the planet, it will in no way make life any better for those who stay behind. The history of Life should have taught us that failing to get all your eggs out of the one basket greatly increases the chance of extinction. In short, I believe the biosphere needs a technologically capable species like Humanity in order to propagate. But whether this scenario is true or not, forcing ourselves to the lifeboats -which may or may not exist- for a lack of forward thinking, is just stupid. What we need to do now is start living up to the kudos we have so arrogantly given ourselves, and be 'sapient', and 'humane', and stop thinking that what we do in our part of the world will have no impact on anyone else. As an example I recommend this vid: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/757.html Posted by Grim, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:09:51 AM
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I share some of the author's pessimism but seriously doubt his prediction of humanity ending up obliterated; we're much too hard to stop for that. Even if it's a ruthless remnant in bunkers, we will survive, but so much that is beautiful and valuable, including such things as many of the natural ecosystems the author so much enjoys looks almost certain be forever lost.
Still, all is not lost yet. Much of the 'failure' of Copenhagen was from the demands from so many to do more rather than less and that has to be a step in the right direction. Technology continues to offer possibilities of a sustainable future; a fall back to the stone age is the least likely of all outcomes. We will probably be a lot less extravagantly wasteful and will appreciate much more that the world's resources are limited but we won't be impoverished by facing the future with eyes open. From the growing capability to look ahead and foresee consequence we are slowly gathering the will to do more with it than throw our hands up in defeat; we do have the ability to use the window of opportunity foresight gives us. Posted by Ken Fabos, Thursday, 7 January 2010 5:49:28 PM
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Hey Grim, who's "we"?
Who elected you the spokesman for the entire human race, halfwit? You wouldn't know your arse from a hole in the ground. Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 7 January 2010 9:15:44 PM
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http://www.google.com.au/trends?q=climate+change
I receive many reports personally from people in Europe about the worst winter conditions, even worse than the winter of January 2009 which was already very bad.
Yes, that is weather as opposed to climate, but then in yesterday's SMH I read the mild winter of 2009 in Australia was and indication of global warming and we need to fight that. What then about ice age conditions in UK, all of Europe, India, Russia, China, Korea and the US? Is that an indication as well?
Gas reserves in UK are running out with a national gas emergency at the doorsteps.
I think it is time to stop worrying about global warming and take care of more important issues, namely the looming energy and food crisis: http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/12/2010-food-crisis-for-dummies.html
For those who missed out on the big cold a few links:
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/snow-brings-chaos-to-britain-as-europe-shivers-20100107-lumr.html?autostart=1
http://www.accuweather.com/news-weather-features.asp?partner=&traveler=0&date=2010-01-04_1701&month=1&year=2010
http://www.thelocal.se/24206/20100105/
http://www.thelocal.se/24200/20100104/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6937854/Britain-braced-for-heaviest-snowfall-in-50-years.html
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-cold-deaths,0,5066667.story
http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2010/01/03/Alltime-record-snowfall-in/1262573458.html
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100103/NEWS/1030352/-1/SiteMap/Feeling-cold?-We-re-at-30-below-normal
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/807821-pensioners-burn-books-for-warmth
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100104/ap_on_re_as/as_asia_storms
http://cbs3.com/local/nuclear.power.plant.2.1404207.html
http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191
Another report - not in English - says the last ice age came within a few months, not years, and scientists are getting a bit concerned now about the big cold on all of the northern hemispere. An indication, maybe?