<next, Thursday, 31 December 2009 9:26:12 PM>

next, you've got it back to front.

You are putting forward a proposition - that human-produced CO2 is causing global warming. The onus is on you and your co-religionists to produce evidence to support that contention. Help poor Andy out, because he has shown himself to be incapable of producing anything but wild assertions, empty conclusions and appeals to authority.

You've raised one of the central issues. If your proposition is not falsifiable, it is not science, it is religion.

So, here's the list of things that have been claimed to be caused by global warming: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Each item on the list has been documented. You'll note that half the list is contradicted by the other, but that's the nature of AGW hysterics.

There is not a single natural phenomenon that has been left out, so far as I can see. A lot of grant money went into the coffers of AGW promoters to come up with each item.

So the onus, to the contrary, is on YOU to tell us what phenomenon you would accept to indicate that AGW is disproved.

If you cannot do that, it means that your proposition is unfalsifiable and therefore not science but religion.

Eagerly waiting for your world-first proof of the scientific validity of AGW theory.

Andy, feel free to help out.

Sancho "So, in the battle of climatology (Scientology) versus big industry" You're one of the AGW believers who is grasping at some obscure reason for skepticism, typical of the AGW church. Skeptics are not being organised and funded to be skeptical.

"who is the science-wielding Galileo: - the skeptics who demand proof of temperature rise as a function of CO2 rise, as per all the language of the IPCC, our government, CO2 is the "pollutant" must be reduced to reduce world temperature. Where's the proof that CO2 is the culprit?

"and who is the power-grasping church?" the AGW side of the house, with CRU corrupting the peer review process, changing data to suit their predictions. The side who calls the other side heretics for not "believing" and being deniers, who have their high priests, Al Gore, George Monbiot, James Hansen, they sell indulgences, or carbon offsets as they are now called,

Simple as that .. which is what Col was on about.

PeterA "Hear we go again with denilist coming out of the woodwork calling people names as that is all they can do."

So you call people "denilists", (cdenialist?) as an insult, to liken them to holocaust deniers, then accuse them of "calling people names", hypocrit.

I can understand all the die hard believers being upset, Copenhagen was meant to be the great pilgrimage to form a world government who would redistribute the hard earned wealth of a few to the many.

Bugger off, the haves are not going to give it all up for the have nots. If there was no way to make a profit, and no big industries in competition, there would be no innovation. Look how much innovation came out of Russia and China during their communist eras - none at all folks, zip, zilch - that's what you risk with your politically driven agenda.

You bray on about skeptics depriving your grandchildren of a future, I worry more for my grandchildren being victims of your misdirected hatred of a system that works - Capitalism. The US Democrats policies caused the GFC not capitalism.

Sancho you've asked reasonable questions; here are the answers:

1.IPCC is already where the money is and is going to be. Carbon Trading companies are set to make multiple Billions. Al Gore is involved with one
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3413carbon_swindle.html

as is Maurice Strong,one of the UN originators of the hoax who now lives in China.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122368007369524679.html

and high level financiers such as the Rothschild family
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/rothschild-stands-to-become-the-carbon-trading-kings/

Rajendra Pachauri, Head of the IPCC was the former Board Member of the Indian Oil company also stands to make billions.
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/pachauri-accusedmaking-/fortune/carbon-trading-firms/380212/

So you see, Climate Change is where the money is. The financial power is with the Warmists not the skeptics. That is another myth.

2. The CRU emails specifically mention "fudge factors" and "tricks" which are simply changing the data to get the answer you wanted. There is even a section where the Maths equations have a "fudge factor" listed. Its like saying 9+1=10 add fudge factor now 9+1=25. They even ask for ways to manipulate data of get rid of the Medieval Warming period. Even some Warmists e.g Monbiot admit they are evidence of wrongdoings. I cannot see how that cannot be fraud. There is evidence of corruption and fraud, its obvious and that is why Jones has been stood down and investigated.

3. The oft made quote about "thousands of scientists" supporting Global Warming comes from the false story from the UN that 1500 of the worlds top climate scientists agreed on the issue. If you care to check their credentials you will find very few climate scientists and a whole lot of government officials, policy makers and various hangers on. Many scientists were put on the list against their wishes. Only 52 Scientists actually participated in the final IPCC paper.Rajendra Pachauri, Head of the IPCC often called the Chief Climate Scientist is in fact a Railway Engineer and has no climate quals at all.(Check above reference)

No mention of climategate or that intellectual whore Al Gore.He could sell shoes to a snake.Al Gore according to his version of reality created the internet.

The whole AGW fiasco it seems,is a lie and will turn out to be the biggest con ever perpetrated on humanity.

'The whole AGW fiasco it seems,is a lie and will turn out to be the biggest con ever perpetrated on humanity.'

Except for the evolution fantasy which of course is closely related.

Runner is grasping at superlatives.Evolution is a theory based on logic and sound science.AGW is climategate fantacy land.