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Copenhagen: the price of the atmosphere : Comments

By Andrew Glikson, published 31/12/2009

A denial campaign waged by contrarians supported by fossil fuel interests is holding the world to ransom.

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Must agree wth Ludwig, Jedimaster and others who feel moved to laughter at the bucolic brayings of assinine recruits from the Dark Ages.
I detest this almost superstitious fear and loathing of "gummint taxation" and "socialist plots" and the like and wonder if the civilised world has not regressed into something akin to a global Arkansas, overrun with inbred hillbillies.
Redneck cranks, go home. Or better still, learn to use your brains, if most of you have any!
Posted by paul walter, Thursday, 31 December 2009 2:49:05 PM
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I notice that Glikson fails to mention the $70bn spent on climate science thus far, funding people like him and his Institution. To put THIS in perspective. We and the Tax Payers in the other countries that go to make up the $70bn spend, could have built, and staffed:
• About 35,000 schools in the poorer states.
• Improved the water supply in about 10,000 villages in Africa and Asia.
• Campaigned more effectively stop the logging in the SE Asian hardwood forests by Chinese and Bumi carpet baggers.
But then Glikson goes on to expand his swipe at everything. Where is the evidence to support runaway climate change? There is plenty of evidence to support that fact that the IPCC has over stated the climate sensitivity factor alone, by a factor of at least 6. We won’t raise the subject of whether clouds are positive or negative in their feedback either, nor is the latency of Co2 gases in the atmosphere not the 100 years that the IPCC and Flannery/Gore and other money makers say it is.
Who are these fossil fuel interests who are holding the world to ransom? Come on names please, like most other people I would like tap into this funding source to counter the crap from the Glikson’s of this world.
Who are these ex lobbyists of the tobacco companies? Names please.
Who are these economists, engineers and ego driven ex professionals who appear to confuse the weather with climate etc?
If this is an example of his ability to use evidenced based reasoning, then god help us all.
But then it is only the ANU.
Posted by bigmal, Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:12:47 PM
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WTF Bigmal? You dont see climate scientists living in mansions in Vaucluse or Toorak do you. Seen many driving around in their rollers lately? How many have chauffeurs, nannys, maids, butlers, a private jet?

Now tell me which oil or mining or car or power gen executive dosent have all of the above?

Who has their snouts in the trough? Who is better placed to conspire? Who has the resources and the ownership of the media? Is it scientists? I dont think it is?

The brazen idiotic, illogical, inconsistency of these denialist fools never ceases to amaze me.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:25:45 PM
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Then MIKK it is only is supposition on your part.
But almost daily we see the bias of the ABC and the antics of red Kerry and Jones, not to mention the thousands of NGOs who rolled up to the bun fest in Copenhagen to do their best at distorting and spinning.

..and who is the biggest crook of them all but Al Gore whose own wealth has gone up by some $200m since he started this caper..and you talk about snouts in the trough..some snout...some trough.

and whilst we are about it why didnt the scientific fraternity have something to say about the MBH Hockey stick..they knew it was shonky but kept silent, and by their silence they are complicit..in exactly the same way as those scientists here in Australia who were photographed at the showing of Gores AIT and rated it highly ..only to be embarrased by the UK high court ruling.None of them has had the fortitude to retract.

If the science is so sure why does it require such unmitigated spin and bulldust to sell it. Even the Chief Science Adviser to Rudd did her bit just before the Copenhagen.

..and as for this piece by Glikson... sheeeeeesssh.

PS Obviously Glikson has got his students posting here as well, its obvious by the childish nature of the invective
Posted by bigmal, Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:45:49 PM
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jedimaster "typical evidence-free rantings", the onus is on you hysterical types to produce evidence not the skeptics, you are trying to turn the debate around as usual with the same tricks from the "believosphere". Produce evidence that directly links temperature rise on the planet to CO2, more than a mere coincidence, and we'll get somewhere - talk about a lack of evidence, where's yours?

I can see why you have trouble understanding all this.

As to "personal insults", and I quote from the article "coalition of contrarians supported by fossil fuel interests is holding the world to ransom, These people include ex-lobbyists of tobacco companies, medieval fundamentalists, socially backward, denialists"

In the title "A denial campaign waged by contrarians supported by fossil fuel interests is holding the world to ransom"

If you're going to write an emotive article insulting people and their intelligence, then you obviously expect to get some back - so why are you so thin skinned, little petal?

Do you regularly p*ss people off with such pig ignorance and expect no response?

Did you read the article?

"Another depressing display", yes, jedimaster of a drama queen! jedimaster indeed, jedi princess more likely.

The "massive denial campaign" is not an organized conspiracy as some would like to believe, it is human nature to distrust prophets who try to call the future.
Posted by rpg, Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:57:05 PM
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Agreed rpg.The science is not settled.All true scientists are skeptics.They [IPCC] constantly refer to computer models,yet I've not seen real models on CO2 potency that make it more powerful by a factor of over 3000 times of all the other gases in the atmosphere.

In the realm of improbability,believe nothing of what you hear,and only half of what you see.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 31 December 2009 5:41:55 PM
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