And yet the ice melts, the temperatures soar and the denialists winge, winge winge...
These pseudo expert pieces are starting to crack me up!
A bunch of scientists around the world collude together to fool the world for...mediocre pay! Is this really credible?

Free market theory has just recently faced it's ultimate test...and failed totally, but none of the newly crowned "sceptics" give a rat's proverbial for the lies of industry...they just want to label the scientists "Lefties" and continue to sink the boot. Bugger reality, evidence and honour...just keep the attention off your own sins.

Whether anyone understands or agrees with the bulk of the article,the first paragraph is significant because the quality of the data from the East Anglia Climate Research Unit is critical because:
1) It has been a major source of the predictions about Climate change
2) It has refused to release its original data even to scientific colleagues and supporters and has thus become suspect
3) It now appears to have deliberately manipulated data

It is the "Rome" of the new climate religion and empire is now in danger of falling.

The article seems to me to be carefully thought out, well structured, raises some significant scientific issues (all of which have been known for some time)and is couched in moderate language. I am hence puzzled as to why some of the comments are so downright bad tempered and nasty. They add nothing to what is meant to be a scientific discussion and merely serve to give the impression that their aim is to bludgeon people into silence. I cannot really see that intemperate language will persuade any person who doubts the AGW/IPCC line to change their mind.

May I suggest that some of the comment writers should consider taking a course in anger management?

Lies, deceit, fraud and hatred has been clearly demonstrated by climategate. You would think the gullible would go and hide but they continue to push their dogma despite being exposed. There must be so many 'scientist' nervous now about whether they will get the dollars to continue to produce propaganda after being exposed. One can only hope Mr Rudd has the guts to take this to an election. By that time Ms Wong's lies dressed in science will be well and truely out in the open. The slow American public have caught on despite the lying leftist media steal trying to hide the truth. Australians are just a little bit slower. Mr Obama is about to commit to Kyoto 2. It might stroke his ego but he knows the Americans are to smart to continue to believe the lying alarmist.

Well put, Eyejaw. There have been far too many people using the AGW debate to vent their spleen on other issues. They add nothing to the discussion and, of course, persuade nobody.

Of all the climategate emails published so far (and they would presumably be only a very small percentage of emails exchanged between climate change scientists and others), only a couple actually seem to raise any serious case for academic fraud. Even if there has been such fraud by a few climate change scientists (and that is far from certain so far) that does not, by itself, prove the whole AGW theory wrong. There have been plenty of people who have misused Darwin's evolution theory, yet the theory remains entirely valid!! In any major debate, there will always be those on either side that believe in the morality their cause so passionately they have no qualms about telling fibs or skewing data. AGW is no exception.

On the basis of the current science (as distinct from the pseudo science on both sides), it makes sense to take action now to reduce the amount of carbon we put into the atmosphere. Essentially, it's like Pascal's dilemma. But we need to act in a way that can be adjusted later on as we learn more about the science of AGW and about the options we have. Surely nobody believes that the current science of AGW is the last word and no further scientific inquiry is warranted. That's one of the many reasons an ETS is a mistake and a carbon tax a much better option.

"And yet the ice melts, the temperatures soar and the denialists winge, winge winge..."

Which temperatures are those? Not in the US, where they have had their coldest winter for some years. Not in Australia, where we have had our coldest October for some time. Or do you mean the 'adjusted' temperatures derived from manipulating the figures by people like the CRU? The manipulations without which 80% of 'global warming' would disappear? See http://beforeitsnews.com/story/0000000000000736 for details. Nothing is 'soaring' here except climate alarmists' hopes for ever-increasing government funds stemming from public panic and hysteria.