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Apocalypse fatigue: losing the public on climate change : Comments

By Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, published 26/11/2009

What will it take to rally people behind the need to take strong action on cutting carbon emissions?

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Lugwig, on the side of conspiracy and cartels, I don't believe it is wider than a few groups of individuals who are bending things to benefit themselves, it's not some international huge organized crime for instance - for some reason many people think scientists are saints, I work with them and they are like everyone else - just as easily led astray by the same benefits that lead politicians and bankers and other criminals astray - it all starts very simply then you get on a slippery slope and away it goes - the guys at CRU are going to roll. Their "buddies" will abandon them and to save their own skins, reputations and mortgage payment upkeep, will tip them out.

On climate, yes its changing, but why is that thought anything out of the ordinary? Clearly we don't understand it, but that doesn't mean we have to find some primitive type explanation, in the past of course, the "gods" controlled things. This is more of the same, except we've found a more modern explanation, it's that gas over there, yeah that's it. And if you don't believe us, you're a denier, skeptic, killer of children unborn, and on it goes .. sounds so like a primitive belief system.

It's our ignorance and arrogance that's to blame, the scientists who will not admit (except in private emails) that they don't know what's going on.

Sustainability, yep, OK I do agree it would take an apocalypse for behaviors to change. You are correct the whole climate thing detracts from us moving forward on sustainability, but why is it our scientists continue with all the doomsaying - look at the media at the moment, every scientist with a vested interest is out there saying catastrophe is imminent, it's hard for anything else to get a hearing. The Copenhagen thing is so sexy it has all the greenies and eco types in a tiz, everyone wants to be there, like our PM. Everyone wants to be a part of stopping the climate, no one cares what happens after that.
Posted by Amicus, Friday, 27 November 2009 2:25:09 PM
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Thrill of the Chase?

Climate Change?

What have we done that is good for our Planet?

Could say most persons either would not have a clue or would not give a continental, only viewing nature from the latest most comfortable car.

So we might say that as far as Nature is concerned most Western whites are reasonably happy.

However if Nature these days acquired a human mind what should Nature be thinking?

Indeed, Nature might think that though it has been sometimes improved by humans it has also been too much destroyed by humans.

With the above in view, one might ask what is in the average person's mind that is good for nature.

Well, we might say that a district fire might be good for nature's renewal in the next season, but not always so nice for humans.

On the other hand, while clearing timber country in earlier modern times, at last a farmer clearer might gain a happier view of his homestead or even the local town.

But we now have the tussle between farmer and natural animal life, a case in point being the contract owner clearer feeling only partly happy to find his last fifty acres filled with kangaroos, mallee fowl trying to take off similar to the emus and scrub turkeys, the farmer even shedding a tear but glad that down from the thousand acre piece is a stretch of low scrub and salt for the wildlife to move to.

One now thinks back and wonders what sort of person he is that can destroy animal habitats just to make things suitable for mankind?

And right now thinking back when the Age of Enlightenment delivered its wonderful birth-child the Industrial Revolution, the so-called necessary change from hand-held - axe, rake and hoe - to miraculously powered machinery now so scientific that there is little doubt that though beneficial it has trapped mankind's mind even more, the thrill of the profit chase like sex, sweetly clouding any fear of the damage that our Never-Ending Powered Enlightenment has long been pushng our Planet probably to its end?
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 27 November 2009 5:50:40 PM
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Burbs,
Welcome to the real world (he he he) :-)

Desmond,
Don't worry about Col he finds socialism EVERYWHERE, under rocks, in Easter eggs, even if he was alone on a desert island.

Formersnag,
You Conspiracy theorist you....You silly sausage you.
Me? a greenie? nah just someone who reads more widely than you and want a livable world. (since when is wanting to survive exclusively Greenies domain?)
PS I'm a Secular Humanist.
Posted by examinator, Friday, 27 November 2009 6:13:48 PM
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Hyah, Ludwig, old OLO mate.

Go for it cobber.

Anyway, I put a mixed paddock and theoro' one in yesterday ending with near the same argument you have about GW.

Might mention that my last paragraph tries to bring it altogether-

That while mankind if it tries hard enough right now has the capacity to feel danger ahead for our Planet.

Mankind sadly helped by wonderful scientific progress is heading towards an end brought on by the Thrill of the Business Chase.

Here one is reminded of Adam Smiths' warning about mankind being careful in its progress to understand the difference between greed and need.

Cheers, BB, Buntine, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 28 November 2009 11:51:51 AM
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G'Day Bushbred.

Thanks for the support.

"...the Thrill of the Business Chase"

That's an interesting way of putting it - that is: the utterly mad push by the business community and their bedfellows; the pollies (of both persuasions) who push continuous expansionism with no end in sight down our throats, which has been boosted to new record levels by our hopeless PM, beyond the previous record levels under out last hopeless PM!

It's no wonder that we are heading directly towards apocalypse!

Dear oh dear….If only our decision-makers could respect Adam Smith’s wisdom!
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 3 December 2009 10:52:39 PM
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Not to worry Ludwig, the word is that China will be up against oil
supply next year sometime, the price will go over US$100 and that will
be the end of growth, no matter what Kevin wants to do.

That saying, that anyone who wants continuous growth in a finite world
is either a madman or an economist, comes to mind.

Kevin is not an economist is he ? Hmmm
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2009 9:53:45 AM
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