The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Palestine: European Union finally sees reality > Comments

Palestine: European Union finally sees reality : Comments

By David Singer, published 25/11/2009

The Palestinian Authority appears to have a totally misconceived notion of the UN as a body that can create states.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. Page 2
  4. All
After all these years, especially in the Internet era when all the information is so accessible, how is that we STILL get the robotic misinformation from Jeremy, david, evan jones, and their ilk?

"League of Nations Mandate...reads like the "single-state solution".

Of course it does. That is precisely why the League of Nations gave Britain the Mandate of Palestine; to create the Jewish homeland. Britain continually frustrated this obligation

"doesn't give Jews the right to exclude Palestinians from any part of the land."

Who has ever said it did?

"no doubt refers to the UN-decided partition of 1947"

Quite right. UNSCOP advised, and the UNGA passed a Resolution authorising a party to effect this. BUT, what have you left out? And HOW could you possibly leave this out and be expected to be taken seriously?

A little event in May, 1948? You know, all the surrounding armies invading what was to be the Arab Palestine; with Egypt and Jordan gobbling it all for themselves. Jordan even declared de jure sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, which the entire world rejected except for Britian and pakistan, renaming these ancient lands "the West Bank [of Jordan]" They even made West Bank Arab refugees Jordanian citizens.

"which remains the only legal basis for determining the borders of the two states".

Wrong. The UNGA Partition Resolution 181 was not a "legal" act, as the UNGA does not have "legal" powers. As the author correctly notes, the UNGA doesn't and cannot "create" states; it only recognises claims to statehood. On 11 May 1949, the UNGA in Resolution 273 accepted the advice of the Security Council and admitted Israel to the UNGA.

It is Resolution 273 that gives Israel its international legitimacy. Since WW2, many new nations have had to grow exactly the same process from Pakistan to East Timor.

"Then are not the Palestinians equally entitled to live in any part of Palestine ?"

"Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948/49. Citizens of Israel are entitled to live in Israel, along with any others the Israeli states allows. It is the same with ALL UN member states.
Posted by Agape, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 6:31:56 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
And so it goes another effort by the Israeli apologist Singer,all those nice settlers there not stealing land and murdering people,no it's the biblical Judea and Samaria,what rubbish using the Bible to justify things is like using the daily Tele to do that,neither are noted for accuracy.
The Settler thugs and thieves carry on while Singer looks the other way,what are the Palestinians have they now become the Unerwünschten of Israel now,you learned well from the Nazis Mr Singer in oppressing people.
Considering the UN created Israel what cant the Palestinians declare a State and see who recognizes it,then see what happens.
By the way is the Israeli Propaganda Dept and the men from the ministry who will show up here shortly to defend you,going have they been in touch,just curious
Posted by John Ryan, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 6:50:48 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"And so it goes another effort by the Israeli apologist Singer"

Please John, Singer is not an "Israeli apologist", he only represents the Jewish settlers - a cancerous growth and enemies to the majority of Israelis. He does not even speak for all those 500,000 settlers, just for about half of them: the other half, especially in East Jerusalem, are poor families that were lured into the West Bank with interest-free mortgages (conditioned on them staying there) and are longing to get out of there if only they could receive alternate housing within Israel.

Israelis are held hostage by those settlers, they are forced to send their children to guard and protect them, sometimes even to be killed and wounded for those heartless fanatic settlers, who are in fact not Israelis, but hard-core Jewish-nationals (a nationality in the guise of religion).

According to the United-Nations 1947 resolution, Israelis deserve to have their own state, however small, but a place which they can call home. One result of the settlers' land-grabbing and suffocating the two-state solution, is the call, expressed by several members of this forum, for a one-state solution: that would reward the settlers and punish ordinary Israelis, in fact spelling their cultural death, and ultimately their physical death as well because unless Israelis can defend themselves in their own state, the Islamists of the region (who already took control of the Gaza strip and terrorize its miserable inhabitants) would not tolerate any non-Muslim living in the area.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 26 November 2009 7:47:28 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. Page 2
  4. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy