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The great global land grab : Comments

By Sue Branford, published 18/11/2009

Some of the world’s poorest countries are letting go of land that they need to feed their own populations.

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JF Aus "Asia Pacific and world peace is on a knife edge", you are kidding aren't you?

This is just another breathlessly hysterical cry for someone to do something or we'll all be doomed, on OLO?

Is this becoming the age of catatrophic prophesy?

In the past when there were false prophets, they killed them, nowadays we give them Nobel Peace Prizes, make them Australians of the Year and the media wait on their every word e.g. the Age, Guardian, MSNBC.

I sure hope none of you have children that you are frightening with this endless hatred of the human race, because at the end of it that's all it is.

We're not perfect, but we try, that's the human condition - now you folks would prefer to order everyone around in what you think is a rational way - I'd rather the random way we go about things now thanks.
Posted by odo, Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:31:55 PM
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"It is government responsibility to manage the environment and assist suffering impacted people."

Where in the Constitution does it give power to the government to "manage the environment"?

If government manages the environment as it does the oceans, how will it avoid a tragedy of the commons situation, which is the original problem you are trying to fix?

Don't tell me, lemme guess: by more regulations, right?

So it's a government responsibility to "assist" "suffering" "impacted" people? What? Everywhere? The whole of Africa, Asia, South America, Oceania?

You can see that's just a superstitious belief in magic pudding, can't you?

"I am not into money collection".

So it's okay for politicians to hold people at gunpoint, it's just not okay for people to hold politicians at gunpoint. It's okay for you to get money at gunpoint, but not okay for others to do it to you. That's pretty much it, right?
Posted by Peter Hume, Thursday, 19 November 2009 5:38:36 PM
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Odo,
I am not kidding, are you? Are you sure this is just another hysterical cry? I admit the cry wolf story does involve truth. This world food sustainability problem is very real especially with ocean fish stocks devastated already. Do you think the ocean has escaped impact of humans? Continue to go about things the random way you say, that is what is causing ocean life devastation.

Peter H,
The environment had not been impacted by so many humans when The Constitution was drawn up. I don't like more restrictions either. Real management is not about restrictions, it's about sustaining the process and developing new opportunities to achieve sustained viable productivity. If that can be achieved with business and industry sustaining the environment then why not? With the whole ocean it's a big task and all possible government's worldwide would need to participate in initial development, various aspects then handed over to private enterprise. The environment includes land and ocean and both have value in keeping this planet alive and the people fed and watered. It is possible to develop industry to rehabilitate the environment, creating millions of jobs at the same time.

Take time to understand. The ocean is not being managed, that's why it's in the mess it's in right now with already low population marine animals dying due to starvation for the first time in known human history
Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 23 November 2009 7:59:41 AM
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It has been pointed out that we should be mindful of the desire of peasants to a "better education and wealth for their children in advancing their modern lifestyle choices".
We so often devalue traditional lifestyles without stopping to look beyond a modern industrial viewpoint. And what is better education?...it is only a different education.
Throughout history traditional societies have educated their youth by hands-on apprenticeship in the skills and knowledge necessary for that particular society to sustain itself.
I submit that the western industrial world never gave anything of intrinsic human value to the developing world that it didn't already have. Globalization destroys local culture and western corporations are more inclined to employ various guises to take advantage of developing societies to increase their profits.
The globalisation of food production blights traditional society's ability to save, share and pass on knowledge and materials. Eradication of specialist knowledge comes swiftly on its heels.
We should not be so arrogant as to devalue the knowledge base and educational imperatives of traditional societies. Nor should we write off land as unproductive because it is "only" supporting indigenous inhabitants.
As Vandana Shiva pointed out in a Reith 2000 lecture, yield and output are measured differently. The mentality of the globalised world looks at yield by measuring production from a principal crop. Traditional societies rely on a diverse selection of food produced in their local regions and this supplementary "output" is often ten times the measured "yield".
Western society is shot full of psychological maladies, material inequities and cultural deformity. The term "modern lifestyle choice" is nothing but jargon to those who live an authentic life.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 23 November 2009 12:08:05 PM
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