*Right now the 78 have done a much better job of this of you and thus have completely outflanked you.*

Err not me rstuart but you. As a skeptical observer, I simply
point out that lack of rationality. The fact is, these 78
have made the Govt look like complete idiots and you seemingly
gullible enough to go along with it all.

* based purely on sensationalised newspaper reports*

Indeed rsuart, I believe in a free press! On this story, the Govt
spin machine is free to deny the findings made by the press,
which they normally do rather quickly when claims are wrong. Not
in this case!

I am politically issues based not party based, but on this one I think
that Paul Kelly has it sewn up in today's Weekend Australian,
when he says that Rudd's gap between rhetoric and his deeds is
widening. On this issue he's trying to appease various interest
groups and frankly made a complete stuff up of it.

*Unlike you I am perfectly happy to trust our bureaucrats *

Hehe. The minister is their boss, so they have to try and dig
him out of this one, with all the normal Govt spin! Ask
bureaucrats, that is what they do, few ever rock the boat, their
careers could be affected.

Even the UNHCR concedes that most asylum seekers are in fact
economic refugees, under the present laws. So we get shafted twice.
Firstly our refugee intake is hardly humanitarian, if its not going
to the most deserving. Secondly we could find far better economic
migrants, our current account deficit urgently needs it.

What kind of idiot is rstuart? He doesnt seem to fully cope with the situation. You have shown him up very clearly Yabby

socratease

So, Yabs, why the animus?

Did ya get thrown out of ya cot when a toddler or something?

Brutalised in the army and want to give it back to someone?

Been out in the hot WA sun too long with them anti-anyone-from-WA types - you know, the ones who back in the 80s were anti the eastern states?

Or just run out of people to pick on?

rstuart and Robp,
My PC has been down for a couple of days so am just catching up.
Geez, you blokes take some convincing or should I say 'There are none so blind as thoses that will not see' with all the evidence right before you.

Whether it was in the Howard era or now in the Rudd era, the illegal entrants are frauds, liars and cheats that set out with the intent to deceive us and impose themselves upon us with the aim of gaining permanent residency in Aus. Yet you are now asking rpg to come up with a link to show the illegals first stage is to come by air.

It has been well known for years that the illegals firstly fly to Malayasia thence by boat to Indonesia. In the last 12 months some have even drowned on that trip.

They need a passport and visa to get to Malayasia, so could get a visa to Aus. They lie about their intentions to Malay officials as they do not disclose that they are to enter Indonesia illegally.

They organize their passage to Aus and set sail and then destroy their identities and more lies to our immigration officials when apprehended.

I see a need to post this link again that shows how they act when aprehended by our security, it is an eye opener.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/Committee/maritime_incident_ctte/report/f04.htm#top

Can either of you show me one instance where any illegal entrant has acted honestly and honerably, without bribing anyone or lieing?

Can either of you explain why they would destroy their identities, if not to prevent them being sent back home?

Can either of you logicly give a reason why they would come by sea when it is cheaper, quicker and much safer to come to our mainland by air and then apply for asylum?

The only logical answer to the latter is that they know they will not qualify as refugees and will be sent home.

They are not honest people. Their intent is to cheat the system and gate crash our community.

So much hatred.

So few facts.

Such little knowledge.

This thread's a veritable advertisment for Fox News.

Animus RobP?

Lol, because I make valid points of reason, because I am a skeptic,
because I have a sense of justice, it must be animus?

Don't ever trying earning a living in psychology :)

I certainly admit to having a hobby interest in neuroscience,
especially in separating emotion and reason and noting the inability
of the emotionaly overwhelmed to do so. There is no shortage
of them on OLO!

OTOH OLO has some great posters, whose opinions I respect and
whose way of thinking I respect. We always have more to learn,
each of us.

One thing that we see in this whole asylum seeker story, is the
ability of Canberra to pee money up against walls, for the
sake of Govt spin and rhetoric. Money which would be far better
spent on helping some of the most disadvantaged Australians.

Meantime the tax office lets another 500 million $ slip through
its fingers, as the Texans take off, after the Myer sellout.

Next thing they will be out bullying some small Australian over
a few pennies.

Are you sure that you don't work for the Govt, RobP?