Doesn't anyone remember that these Tamils tried to take a chunk of their last host country, for their own, by force of arms. Not a great recommendation for them as suitable citizens.

Now they refuse to get off the boat, & there the thing stays, at great cost. If we let them in it will show, better than anything else, that Ruddy is a bl@@dy idiot, who has about as much idea, as my my cattle dog. No that's not fair to the dog.

WE will have to start thinking about weather we should be running off to rescue any more people from boats in Indonesian waters.

Those overstaying their visa, don't come hand out. They earn their keep, & probably send a little back home, rather than bludge. They would probably make great citizens, if we really wanted any more.

Isn't it interesting that most of those calling for us to let all these people in regardless of cost to our less wealthy, are mostly like Crispin, busily getting their sustenance from the public teat, with the expenditure they want us to bear, unlikely to cause them any pain.

I wounder where this character and others get the idea that objection to illegal arrivals by boat has anything to do with fear. It's a matter of principle. Anyone who thinks it's OK for illegals to rock up without any papers when others who have been processed have to wait until they are invited to come, is not much of a person in my book.

Illegals with the money to pay smugglers are not very good people either - sneaky liars with no proof that they are genuine. They are coming here for the good life, not to escape anything dangerous. Particularly Tamils who were the bad guys and the losers in the Sri Lankan civil war.

rpg,

>>RobP - Yep, so what? The points I made are what most Australians think, which is why the politicians react the way they do - if they did not, they would react differently, correct?<<

Sounds about right. But, in the context of the debate, the issue IMO is not so much what the public wants as what is the fair thing to do. Anyhow, by your logic, does what Australians wanted 20-30 years ago not have any currency in Australia today? At all? Do we fully expect Australian policy to turn on a threepenny bit? The truth is, that couldn't be achieved no matter how hard you tried. Not now with the momentum that is already in the migration system. The only thing that can be done now is steer the process and ameliorate the unfair aspects in it when they manifest themselves.

Hasbeen,

>>Isn't it interesting that most of those calling for us to let all these people in regardless of cost to our less wealthy, are mostly like Crispin, busily getting their sustenance from the public teat, with the expenditure they want us to bear, unlikely to cause them any pain.<<

Maybe so, but they are still a sizeable part of the population with a legitimate point of view. And they vote too. It's called balance.

RobP, it's not called balance for me mate, it's called grandstanding.

It's so easy to be generous, when someone else has to pick up the bill. It seems that those all ready ensconced in their tax payer funded cocoon, have a belief that the funds are inexhaustible.

Hasbeen
Grandstanding to me is making hollow pronouncements like the others don't do it? come off the grass so people can see you. Of course he's grand standing show me a politician who doesn't? It's the only way to get the mug voter to take note. Sensation personality clashes sells to fools while police on both sides is either gone missing or vague.

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Meanwhile we as a nation are getting behind the eight ball with the looming population or Climate wars.
We are spending copious amounts on military hardware to fight wars in far off places but ignoring the local i.e. 'border control'.

The US is working on it now so why aren't we especially given the lead times.

I don't agree with Fortress Australia preferring to deal with the issue at source once the refugees are on the move it's largely too late. Clearly those who do aren't thinking their strategy through.
The superficiality of many Australians' thinking never ceases to amuse. Many are fearful of 78 boat people because of what they represent but don't think any further. Instant fixes have consequences too

*Many are fearful of 78 boat people because of what they represent but don't think any further*

Not so Examinator. Many realise that Australia is being blackmailed
and we are mugs enough to go along with it. To some, principles
actually matter.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/asylum-boat-had-holes-drilled-in-hull-20091021-h911.html

I remind you what we know from the press so far: These 78 hire
people smugglers, some holes are round drilled in their boat,
they use their satelite phone to ring Australia for help, even
though off Indonesia. Now they are blackmailing us, refusing to
get off the boat, if not taken to Aus.

I can assure you one thing, if we do take them, we'll be the laughing
stock of Asia and will deserve the title of "Dumb Australians".