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Is God the cause of the world? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 16/10/2009

Belief does not rest on evidence; it is a different way of knowing than that of scientific knowledge.

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Desmond: I would argue that most of the wars are fought over secular reasons: greed, power, territory and that religion is often used to cover it up. The Crusades anyone?

And Gravitationalist, sophism: a deliberately invalid argument displaying ingenuity in reasoning in the hope of deceiving someone.
Clarification, not deception is the go.

Clarification #1: Man chose to disobey God, but God paid the price. That’s what real fathers do - pay the price for their children. God didn’t mess up/fail... we did.

Clarification #2: God DOES know everything but life is pointless without freedom of choice. You’ll just have to ask the Big Fella yourself how that works.

"The Bible is not proof of anything and referring to it as though it had some authority is pointless when talking to someone who has the critical thinking skills to question it."
Clarification #3: Critical thinking does not invalidate the Bible either. Tell the millions of people who have experienced a miracle that it is not logical.

"If the consequence of not believing in your god is hell, then this invisible “loving parent” has an obligation to make his existence undeniable knowledge. Otherwise, he is negligent."
Clarification #4: So what do you think God is doing right now? Your choice.

"We do not choose what we believe in."
Clarification #5: Sorry, but that’s just nonsense.

"That’s like the ATO telling us that we have the “free choice” to not pay our taxes, but that we’ll go to jail if we make this choice."
Observation #1: Well, last time I read the papers, hundreds of people still freely choose jail by trying to dupe the ATO.

"'Good' does not necessarily equal 'True'."
Observation #2: Give me good any time over bad.

"There are terrorist organisations that provide aid to their people too. Does this mean their beliefs are true as well?"
Observation #3: Christian relief organisations help ANY country or people-group, even those contrary to their own beliefs. I don’t think you’d see any terrorists sending money for the tsunami victims.
Posted by MartinsS, Saturday, 17 October 2009 11:03:44 PM
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Martin S

Your patience with those who wave puny fists at God is really something to be admired. Well done
Posted by runner, Saturday, 17 October 2009 11:55:29 PM
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its quite funny

athiests are attacking religion..despite..their claim..only to not believe in god...no god is their claim of concensus...yet they spend all their time getting down on religion...

god being present or absent..real or imagined..dont come up in their debaits

but it gets more funny..every one of the retards..must have..come accross a rebutttal..of the 6 day creation thing..yet thats their central theme for their mal-borne party

then you got the retards..that blame god for the vile...men ascribed to him..yet.. jesus came to reveal the personal living loving grace[god]..

just because some men say something..it dont mean its so

most of the deception of the athiests..is in their hearts..which is funny..because thats where god interfaces with man...that they do..[we do..to the least..we did to god..sustaining all life into living

just because children..have a hard time believing..amasing things..dosnty mean the most amasing things cant happen....

and god is the amasing thing we could concieve...but like landing on the moon..some simply cant see/believe

its sad that people who can read
...dont bother checking the facts for them selves..

god dont judge...get over yourselves...see something bigger..[more noble...untainted by the matters of the meat/flesh...

something..more vital/loving..more important..than your selfishness insisting on dumbly...being/remaining,....so ignorant
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 18 October 2009 1:08:49 AM
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under one god,

now it is not what I expect of a person who claims moral superiority via religion to label people 'retards' as people who 'blame god for the vile'. As far as I know people who are retarded are also capable of sharing your beliefs or mine. Please apologize to people who suffer from mental retardation.

On another topic, you have still refused to present an alternative theory to evolution in a previous discussion after accusing me of discontinuing our debate on evolution.

Only a hypocrite would preach higher morals after offending the mentally retarded and then ignore debate on a topic you claim to have significant evidence to present.
Posted by Stezza, Sunday, 18 October 2009 2:14:53 AM
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Perhaps Thomas Aquinas had reality a bit more right when he accepted scientific reasoning of the time from Hellenistic travellers.

In fact, the way he suddenly placed his feet squarely on earthly soil, lifting himself out of the Dark Ages one wonders how he ever became a Saint.

Even to this day, it is so interesting that we find many Christian fanatics, not prepared to talk much about a great personality said to be a philosopher as well as a preacher.

Regards, BB, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 18 October 2009 1:56:30 PM
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MartinS
Your “clarifications” do not clear up anything, nor do they offer any kind of answer to the points made above; the only thing they demonstrate—as if we needed more evidence—is yours and your brethren’s profound obtuseness. God is also supposed to be “incomprehensible”, is he not? Yet you lot blithely “clarify” for us—who concede our ignorance and insignificant place in the universe—both God’s purposes and his motives. Moreover you blunder into philosophical questions, such as freedom of choice, that still haven’t been resolved after centuries of earnest thought.
Some of the great philosophers do predicate their thought on a God, but he/she/it is accorded the respect owed to a transcendental postulate. That’s what God is, if she exists. Cosmologists don’t pretend to any knowledge of what triggered the big bang (though they do postulate). But you lot of “retards” (apologies, Stezza) patronise your personal God as if you have direct knowledge of her divine plan. Miraculously, you transform the sheer brute pointlessness of so much human misery into something cosy to yourselves while you prate about miracles—none of which has ever been substantiated. Why on earth would God suspend the physical laws she ostensibly created to perform party tricks in your neck of the woods (a priest I read about recently calls on God when he has car problems), rather than, for instance, preventing children from innocently triggering land mines, or being molested by priests, or being brutalised in all manner of ways? This kind of asinine logic adds insult to the injury that so many have to patiently endure.
Posted by Squeers, Sunday, 18 October 2009 2:41:04 PM
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