The instigator of the infamous 'hockey-stick' had to have his records and methods dragged from him via the courts. If it wasn't for the stickablility of two Canadians, the IPCC would still be using the hockey stick lie along with all the other lies they are still putting about.

Yup,

So, when the climate change sceptics can just get around to putting forward their own hypothesis, based on hundreds of thousands of PhD hours, as to why the exact amount of pollution that is *just right* for the planet (which was doing fine before human population became significant) *just happens* to be whatever we *just happen* to make, I might have the slightest time for them.

Come on, where are the models saying that pollution is good?
How much pollution? Justified by what Hundred-year-old theory?

Any reason why we couldn't move to cleaner technology and *if required* generate some greenhouse gases later?

No? Didn't think so.

I didn't like living with messy slobs in a share house, even though they had any number of cheap exceuses to not clean up.

See the similarity?

Rusty.

< and there is a world wide conspiracy of scientists who stand to make just zillions of dollars out of poor people.>
Posted by E.Sykes, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 9:32:55 AM

Scam artist don't make money from poor people, because poor people don't have any, they make money from those who are guilible enough to give them money in the belief that it will help the poor.

Basically the great swindle is going make yours and my life much more expensive, for very little, if any gain. It will the blue and white collar workers who wil be the ones who are hit the hardest.

I didn't miss any point you were making Mark, I understand everything you are saying. Calling the environmental problem with DDT a "cancer scare" is to trivialise what serious problem it was and could have been.

The fact is the activists in Africa have a serious concern over the return of use of such a chemical. This concern is backed by science and history and is held by many environmental scientists. It is valid and serious.

It is very easy to point at shrill activists from any cause or position and say, "oh those poor deluded souls, don't they see the risk-reward trade-off?" and then proceed to tarnish the whole opposition to your position as being similar in scope. You can pretend that these people are the ones in the drivers seat, but the fact is they aren't. Decisions are made by politicians and other people who like to put on their serious hats. Real data is generated and analysed by people with serious and thoughtful demeanours who take painstaking attention to detail. These are the real people you have to deal with Mark, not the bloggers or persons who express an extreme and unthoughtful view on what's happening or activists in Africa. They may be deluded in the extremity of their position, but that doesn't negate the seriousness of their concern.

So when did you do your study on insecticide resistance evolution Mark?..."so the problem of adaption does not apply". Any time there is a selection pressure the 'problem of adaption' applies, the fact that it is a targeted and limited use only delays the development of resistance, not reduce it to irrelevance.

To Cowboy Joe: I share your views on the average journalist, and Mark's about the most average I've read in a while.

Bugsy - come now do try to be polite. That adaption doesn't apply is obvious. What explanation is required? DDT is not being used on the general population of insects, just in the houses, ergo there is no chance for the general population to adapt. The problem of insect adaption to insecticides, as you know, is well studied. You speak of risks. There are some but there is risk-reward trade off. In those cases the rewards are well worth the risks. DDT's reputation, as you know, was wildly over-blown but the activists cannot adapt to the new order.

Everyone - I promised the link to the enormous problem now facing AGWers and here it is.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/01/ross-mckitrick-defects-in-key-climate-data-are-uncovered.aspx#ixzz0TBswVcBW

Basically key scientists have been caught supresses data which blows the AGW case away. Biffra, the main scientists involved, has responded but I'll leave you to find his response. Basically I don't see how he can justify his actions. Why supress the data? But anyway its an issue that will bubble along for a while yet..

Al Gore is a fascist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwo0f6hGEY

Al Gore seems to think that any opposing views on his fiction must be silenced. Adolph Hitler would be proud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLT8ECko6g
This story broke on FoxNews this morning:
(certainly no other media outlet will air it)

Watch Al Gore silence environmental journalist Phelim McAleer and have him removed from the conference after McAleer..asks a question that contradicts Gore's brainwashing!

"Society of Environmental Journalists Annual Conference"

Al Gore wants to shut down factories,..destroy American jobs and end development in third world countries..(which would kill millions). Gore says the time for debate is over!

Well it seems Gore has indeed decided to shutdown all debate and decent concerning the Global Warming religion!

Man Made Global Warming is a complete LIE, being preached to us and school children in pursuit of raising American's taxes and destroying America's global competitiveness.

Point to consider:..They say they love trees and plants..(more than they love people it would seem)..but they work to lower the level of Co2...which plants and trees breath!..Does that make sense to you? Not very "Green" of them is it?

Get educated!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rPlTbalgfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpqe_7V-AbU
corrupt data
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc-1SNZepoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ow8gtr8HDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6seNLYqXhI