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Just what are we fighting for in Afghanistan? : Comments

By Gary Brown, published 9/10/2009

The huge fraud in the Afghan presidential 'election' conclusively demonstrates the regime of Hamid Karzai has no credibility.

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Alas, readers, we do get the conspiracy theorists don't we? The 9/11 theories are up there with the fake moon landings, Area 51 and the "Face" on Mars. Does Dagget also believe that Swine Flu & HIV are bioweapons gone wrong? The only inquiry that might be needed is one that should be conducted by Dagget's shrink... glad I don't have that job!
Posted by The Godless, Saturday, 10 October 2009 12:06:38 AM
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Clueless, I happen to agree with you that the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory is "up there with the fake moon landings, Area 51 and the 'Face' on Mars." As for the case of the 9/11 Truth Movement, I think you will find that is vastly more substantiated with solid physical evidence and eyewitness testimony.

As for allegations that Swine Flu is a bioweapon, I am still trying to make up mind up on that one. Perhaps you could start up a forum in order to tell us why you think it is not.

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DreamOn,

Didn't you know that Al Jazeera was simply the reconstituted BBC Arab Language service?

For all the BBC's pretence of being being touchy-feely, bleeding-heart left/liberal, it is really no better than a propaganda arm of the British Government, and Al Jazeera seems little better.

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It seems as if both Pete Hume and mikk, whilst expressing sympathy for the people of Afghanistan, nevertheless accept the Big Lie (as I myself once did) that Islamist extremists operating from sanctuaries in Afghanistan, launched 9/11, the London Tube bombings (aka 7/7), the Madrid train bombings, the Bali bombings, etc.

mikk, you wrote, "Wouldn't it have just been so much easier to give Bin Laden what he asked for 10 years ago? ..."

mikk, don't you think it would have been much easier for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran if 9/11 had not occurred?

Can't you see how the effect of 9/11 has been completely contrary to the interests that 'Al Qaeda' claims to serve and, conversely, has served very well the stated goals of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) cabal that seized control of the US in 2000?

That is why critical-minded people, who genuinely oppose US military adventures, have taken a long, hard ,sceptical look at the official US Government account of 9/11 and have come to the conclusion that it cannot possibly be true.

Again, I suggest you look at material from the 9/11 Truth Movement, and other online forum discussions on that topic, as I suggested above.
Posted by daggett, Saturday, 10 October 2009 12:51:10 AM
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Well Godless,I'm afraid Daggett is right.Not a single person on this planet can answer a single question in regards to 911.All 3 buildings came down at the free fall speeds due to gravity.The Official theory is that the planes weakened the steel structure and the heat from the jet fuel made them collapse.The floors above the planes acted like pile drivers crushing in a pancake fashion the lower floors.If the energy due to gravity is being used to crush the lower floors,then how is it possible for these building to collapse at freefall speeds?

Building 7 186 m tall of which no plane impacted came down in 6.5 sec or an average speed of 103 km per hr.The towers were 415 m high and came down in 10 sec or 149 km per hr.

God or Godless on this fateful day must have suspended the laws of physics.

There are now mountains of evidence demonstrating that the official conspiracy theory has serious flaws.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 10 October 2009 11:28:37 AM
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*Dagget*

" ... Didn't you know that Al Jazeera was simply the reconstituted BBC Arab Language service? ... "

I didn't actually, however, relative to the absolute <snip> we generally see on australian and n.american news media it is definateley a quality service in my view. I had noticed the majority were pommie accented though.

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If you wanted to see for arguments sake what has happening on the ground from within Gaza during the recent conflict then I could watch AlJazeera who had people inside broadcasting live.

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So to say it is simply this or that is an extremely shallow appraisal in my view.

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How much have you seen about the WarLord's policy on australian tv? In fact, seriously, due to the distinct lack of quality information in the last 8 odd years regarding the Afghanistan, how much does the average person in Oz really know about what has been going on and why? Very little I would suggest, and that has nothing to do with the people's inability to grasp the issue, but rather the propensity of slimy politicians to hide their behaviour.

General McCrystal has got the right idea and should be encouraged to speak openly in public as part of the key to resolving the issue is to be had by engaging the collective, as has begun to occur in Indonesia to a limited extent.

Still, now they have de-fanged their anti-corruption department one wonders how much farther if at all they will progress?
Posted by DreamOn, Saturday, 10 October 2009 2:34:36 PM
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mikk
Well said: every word true.

Now if you can just turn that same insight, that governmental aggression against the people of other countries cannot produce a just or successful result, to realising that governmental aggression against its own citizens cannot produce a just or successful result, you will truly be in favour of human liberation.
Posted by Peter Hume, Sunday, 11 October 2009 10:04:24 AM
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I'm amazed by those who say we shd just give bin Laden & co what they want, and then they will go away and be nice to us in future. At least two things wrong with that: 1. When you give a blackmailer what he wants, he then demands more. 2. BL wants to impose his perversion of Islam - a perfectly respectable faith in its mainstream versions, even if I don't personally believe it - on everybody. I for one do not want to see billions living under the kind of "law" he wants. When the Taliban were running all of Afghanistan, they converted the goals in a UN-funded soccer stadium into gallows for public hangings. Women were forbidden schooling. Thieves had hands chopped off. Sorry, bin Laden can't have what he wants; he and his ilk have to be fought.
Posted by The Godless, Sunday, 11 October 2009 9:03:25 PM
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