Col (cont)

<< As I have quoted – there can be no entitlement without first meeting an obligation. In this instance, the “obligation” is to present and qualify for a valid visa before residential “entitlement” is granted or to seek to join others for a place in the quota of “real” refugee applicants. >>

As has been pointed out to you countless times before, Col, there is nowhere for the majority of asylum seekers to go and collect a visa, and certainly not without enormous risk. Besides, it is perfectly legal to seek asylum without documentation.

In fact, it's perfectly legal to seek asylum, full stop. Referring to asylum seekers as 'illegal aliens,' as you do, only demonstrates your own arrogance and ignorance of asylum seeker issues.

Bronwyn, whilst you are talking of "arrogance" and "ignorance" please bear in mind these arrivals mostly destroy their own documents, try and scuttle the ships they are on and have traveled through many more countries before Australia.
It strikes me that they had no problems with documentation getting to our North whilst going through Malaysia and Indonesia.
The furore over the so called "Children overboard" when illegals have been happy to burn or sink the ships they are on to ensure passage to Australia was totally corrupt. The latest nonsense when months ago they fired a boat and people were killed and we do not have the guts to treat those pirates accordingly beggars belief.
Finally if they are in such danger why not stay in Malaysia or Indonesia?
The latest Tamils could just go straight over to India and join their fellow Tamils in their own Indian State.
The refugee lobby is making a nice little quid out of this scandal and the first thing needed is to have "Refugees" only represent themselves and no payments to any Australian legal eagles. Then a refusal to tell, or tell the truth should result in expulsion.

It is perfectly legal to seek asylum, and this can be done easily outside Australia.

The people coming across in boats have not even attempted to apply for asylum to Australia in Indonesia or elsewhere.

Unless the laws have changed it is illegal to attempt to enter the country without a valid visa so the boat people have broken the law and are detained.

Claiming they are not illegal immigrants is PC gone wrong. I note the skippers of the boats got 6 years for helping them apply (legally) for asylum.

Maybe you should call them legally challenged, unofficially transient, aspiring to legality, etc

If they hadn't broken the law, they could not be detained.

Bronwyn “As has been pointed out to you countless times before, Col, there is nowhere for the majority of asylum seekers to go and collect a visa, and certainly not without enormous risk. Besides, it is perfectly legal to seek asylum without documentation.”

Feeble excuse… and one which any genuine refugee with time would manage to surmount.

“In fact, it's perfectly legal to seek asylum, full stop. Referring to asylum seekers as 'illegal aliens,' as you do, only demonstrates your own arrogance and ignorance of asylum seeker issues.”

The purpose of a boat landing is to avoid detection, because coming through an airport carries a 100% certainty of being sent to a detention centre and your “genuineness” tested properly. That is illegal.

Now you can pretend you stand on the moral high ground but we both know your assertions are backed by feeble sentimentality and lack the reason and ;logic upon which Australian (and most other) migration laws are based.

In short… the Australian government owes a duty of care firstly to the people of Australia to ensure those with communicable diseases or criminal intent and bad character are not allowed free entry to the wider Australian community.

It does not owe a duty of care to a bunch of anarchistic economic opportunists who plead the sympathy card because some of their fellow Tamils failed in a war of terror against other Sri Lankans.

We do not need the sort of people who revert to terrorism here in Australia and as someone (the resident Moron) pointed out… the Tamils have been in Sri Lanka for 2000 years… if they could not work out how to assimilate into the wider Sri Lankan community in that time… they have no hope of doing it in Australia and are thus unsuited to settlement here.

And those who are trying to blackmail Australia by going on hunger strike should be left to starve.

I had to qualify to get here… I see no reason why every other applicant should not be required to leap similar hurdles