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The lying game: how we are being groomed for another war : Comments

By John Pilger, published 5/10/2009

If any country in the world has been handed urgent cause to develop a nuclear 'deterrence' it is Iran.

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It seems reasonable that Iran and Israel should be treated the same, vis a vis Nuclear treaty inspectors.
But then, it seems reasonable that all nations should be treated the same...
Posted by Grim, Thursday, 8 October 2009 6:53:08 PM
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Grim ,when we get all people on the planet connected to the net,then we will have true democracy.It won't be perfect but every person could then vote on important issues.

The average person is not driven by the inadaquacy of power lust.All they want is the connection of family and the time to laugh.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 8 October 2009 10:31:36 PM
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I've just posted a comment on another thread,"Depopulate or perish".
Interesting how many of the comments -including mine- are relevant to both threads...
Posted by Grim, Friday, 9 October 2009 7:01:35 AM
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Might say the lying game has been on ever since th end of WW2 when us troops believed that at last we'd now seen the end of colonialism.

Yet it was not long after that the US occupied Iran declaring that the nation was becoming Communist. However not far behind the occupation were US oil companies.

More lies were told with the planting of the Shah by America, with added lies about the fake Shah's ancient inheritance.

Certainly many of our academics clapped their hands when the Ayatollah was returned with all members of the US Embassy locked up more than a year.

But a few years later the US was determined to push on with her neo-colonialism with Donald Rumsfeld urging Saddam of Iraq that Iran was an easy target to attack at the time.

But after more than eight years it was the other way round with many Iraqis on the run back home.

So the US lost out once again, Iran clearly showing that neo-colonialism right now was not a paying game.

So it seems from a historical point of view that apart from vocal attacks Iran has never attacked a Middle East neighbour since her Persian days.

Certainly the same could not be said of tiny Israel now not only with the most modern of nuclear capabilities, but also inlcuding attack planes.

Though Netanahu might say that Israel has prepared against and Iranian attack, there is little doubt that Iran's modern history proves that she would never attack a neighbour.

However, in closing we might say that it has been America's braggart neo-colonialist attitude that has been the problem, as having allowed a tiny nation like Israel to become right now the deadliest nost dangerous power in the Middle-East.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 10 October 2009 7:16:58 PM
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I have never been a fan of Pilger, but .....

One:

This morning, on the way to the Forum, by way of Twitter, a funny thing happened.

I had been posting to a topic in the General Discussion area of the Forum, 'Power with pride going Belly-up?', and the discussion had got around to the subject of the pending extradition, without hearing, from the UK to the US of Brian and Kerry Howes. There is currently a Twitter campaign being conducted by the Howes' and some supporters to raise public awareness as to their situation.

I had written a poem, 'Ode to McCrae', inspired by his famous WWI poem 'In Flander's Fields', and posted it to the above thread. You can see it here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3050#73526

I then tweeted links to both that OLO post, and to this site, http://www.defence.gov.au/army/traditions/documents/inflandersfield_1.htm , which outlined some of the background to the writing of McCrae's poem. Of particular significance to me seemed to be the second last paragraph on the page. I noted that fact in my tweet, as I had characters left.

When I saw my tweet come up on the Twitter page, it was minus this notation.

I then clicked the tinyURL link that I had posted, and which only minutes before had yielded the 'In Flander's Fields' page, only to find that the tinyURL link yielded a '404' page unavailable notice, as did the fully expanded link posted above.

It would seem that this extradition matter, and/or something I posted in that thread, is the subject of intense scrutiny at the moment by interests capable of censoring the internet.

Two:

Friends who had a tour of Tibet arranged, were, within days of departure upon it, told it was canceled because the Chinese government was escorting all foreign tourists out of Tibet, and allowing no more in. The excuse given being one of fears of volatility marking 60 years of Chinese rule in Tibet.

Make of this what you will.
Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Sunday, 11 October 2009 12:59:24 PM
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Looks like Dear Hilary hasn't learnt her history lessons either.

Certainly history can tell that because Iran has had the common sense only to threaten but never attack unless attacked herself, she is much safer with atomic weapons than with certain other countries.

History can also tell how Nixon's Minister of State, Henry Kissinger warned him how a nuclear little Israel would upset the Middle East power balance for years to come.

Certainly there is little doubt that an atomic charged Iran would bring the balance, with everything silent until little Israel made a strike helped by silly Hilary.

So Hilary, please help Obama with a bit of historical commonsense rather than threatening Iran with something that could turn into another World War.

PS, Of course all this has all begun mostly because Condoleeza Rice helped so much to bugger up the UN, which was originally formalised from Kantian philosophy to have strong multi-power policies to prevent historical threats like the above.

Regards, BB, WA
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 12 October 2009 1:39:21 PM
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