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the other part of the rest of this comment i was posting is in the section they called sex children and failure

it will not allow me to copy and paste the rest so this site is over riding my writting so read the whole topic go to that article ok everyone

so i do not understand why i can not post the same post in another topic since when have these rules come into place , as thats what this is about letting people know the truth isn't it

Pel:”These events happen behind closed doors and unless the child speaks to someone or another family member happens to witness the event or notice anomalies in behaviour or physical signs of abuse, what hope is there?
Mandatory reporting via teachers, doctors, nurses, child carers etc is helpful and alerts authorities to suspected abuse but it does not prevent abuse.”

If you call those people and alert authorities it places the children behind more closed doors Pelican. Before we decide to save kids we should all want to know what system we are putting them in.

Anti:”Nina is a member of the management committee of the NSW Rape Crisis Centre…”

Oh me gawd she must delivered unto us straight from the deepest pits of hell itself Anti.

Anti:”Every good Revolution needs a class enemy and Nina and her feminist fellows have found a doozy - the entire male gender (except the "good ones" of course...)”

Every good Revolution needs a class enemy and Anti and his boyz club have found a doozy – the entire female gender (except the “ones who are bonking you of course…).

Nina:”You do not go into the sector for money.”

Anti seems to have some new complaint (I know...just when you thought he was all out) about women who volunteer to help others.

Teens bullying each other for sex or anything else has always happened, this is them practicing being grown ups. I think in the past we knew about more of the bad behavior in our young people – smaller towns, more gossip, the parents knew their friends – they weren’t hidden by the internet and such an overwhelming abundance of people to be picked on or be picked on by. Your average teen girl myspace page is chocka of photos of them trying to look like playboy centerfolds. Gives me a good laugh but I suspect your average teen boy is having a different reaction.

ninaf:"I don't get paid a cent for the work I do with the organisation"

But you do get paid with enormous amounts of publicity that you couldn't buy and you get to establish your "bona fides" as a "go-to authority" for lazy journalists who want a quote. You're personable, attractive and you're good at presenting the approved positions, so what's not to like? If you play your cards right you'll be handed a nice sinecure in no time. Karen Wills is geting on a bit and she's not real photogenic, is she? All aboard the gravy train...

As I said, I don't think you're dishonestly doing this, since I'm quite certain you fervently believe in what you write. What I have little confidence in, especially as time goes on and you become ever more closely identified with this subject, is your capacity to be in any way objective or to apply critical thought to the subject.

That's a shame, because your writing is really very good when you set out to provoke, rather than reiterate the polemic.

ninaf:"counselling traumatised people is one of the hardest jobs out there and yet these people get paid barely anything"

Oh, I don't dispute that trauma counselling is tough - I'd not want to do it. However, the NSWRCC has grants worth a $million and only answers a few phone calls, the vast majority of which are repeat calls about events that occurred some lengthy time previously. Here's a tip, a "crisis" is not an ongoing state of affairs, it is a short-term situation that requires urgent resolution. If the centre can't provide that resolution, why are we funding it?

From my reading of the centre's literature, most of the funding is for purposes other than rape crisis counselling, especially providing a suitably indoctrinaire environment for young female (and avowedly Feminist) social workers and disseminating a Feminist polemic based on "man as predator".

By the way, the server for the centre seems to be down this morning. Now that's a real crisis...

So it is OK to raunch but peer to peer sexual propositions could be sexual abuse and possibly on a par with the awful acts of Dennis Ferguson?

The rhetoric that leap-frogs from Ellison to Ferguson to awkward teens making out is simply breathtaking.

Nice to show sympathy for Dennis Ferguson, to question the gaoling of notorious pedophiles and to patronise those who are concerned about pedophiles being released into their family communities but what about the reported recidivism of such sexual offenders?

'So it is OK to raunch but peer to peer sexual propositions could be sexual abuse and possibly on a par with the awful acts of Dennis Ferguson?

The rhetoric that leap-frogs from Ellison to Ferguson to awkward teens making out is simply breathtaking.'

Yeah I spotted that too.

I think we should just classify any male-female interaction at any age that leads to any physical contact as rape.

We started with actual rape, then the sliding scale down to 'she didn't say yes (or no), then down to 'regretted sex' the next morning, now we're down to 'unwanted advances', by teenagers no less. The next level is unwanted smiling I think.

Maybe Nina should roam the schools looking for what she might define as a potential 'rapist'. ie. any teen boy who shyly asks a girl out.

I'm sure in Nina's eyes any half naked photo a 14yo girl sends out is obviously a wanted advance to any boy. I thought feminism was into breaking down the stereotype of the chaste, virginal, pure woman vs the abusive, perverted, predator male.

Antiseptic,

Thanks for outlining the career path to becoming a 'social commentator'. I'm looking into this as it seems a great gig. You get the tele on the phone every time some journo wants to stir up a gender debate with dubious use of 'studies' and you get to vent your spleen on TV shows like Q and A. They even quote your credentials at the bottom of the screen, and introduce you as a 'Social Commentator'! To me it's nearly as prestigious as when they interview a 'Royal Watcher'.

But you seem to know so much about this rape crisis centre and Nina f, I think you should be invited to join the board.

The chick got raped, so now it's personal and one day she'll be on Australian story telling of all the people she's helped. Not really someone to get upset about is it. I mean, anyone who's anyone is into dubious use of stats and raising awareness to get more dosh for their pet issue.

Holley: We started with actual rape, then the sliding scale down to 'she didn't say yes (or no), then down to 'regretted sex' the next morning, now we're down to 'unwanted advances', by teenagers no less. The next level is unwanted smiling I think.

Through your paranoia and knee jerk defensiveness you have missed the point entirely. Of course I am not equating rape with unwanted advances. This was not a legal discussion about crime, it was a social discussion about stereotypes in misguided assumptions about how sexual practices play out in reality (I was simply making the point that when people think about the online sexual coercion of minors they often imagine it to involve Dennis Ferguson types, when in reality it is far more often someone known to the minor...)

Also if you're going to accuse my logic of leap frogging you might want to get your own facts correct (I've never asserted that I've been raped- this is a fairly large error to make).

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I think we should just classify any male-female interaction at any age that leads to any physical contact as rape."

This sort of statement is just stupid and does not help debate at all. I think you'll actually find that I'm a sex positive, sexual libertarian. I don't censor a lot of behavior (including porn consumption, group sex etc) and it's not helpful for you to simplify and caricature my position in these debates in such a jeuvenile and unconstructive way