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Democratising the corporate world : Comments

By Ken McKay, published 22/9/2009

Corporate ethics: we urgently need to bring industrial democracy to corporate Australia.

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RobP “Or your software program (presumably this is the one you haven’t written yet, but are still pondering over or procrastinating about?).”

Who suggested there is but one?

A number have been running for years in diverse business and government locations. And more are on the way.

RobP “If you ask me, I'll rather have my job than being an accountant any day”

When one knows ones potential will not meet the challenge, it is best to do something else.

RobP "Gilligan's boat up against a supertanker"

Perhaps but being the "captain" will always beat being a "wage pulling" grease-monkey.

RobP “It's been rather quiet the last couple of days - I take it you have now conceded the argument and are undergoing a period of sustained self-flagellation?”

Not at all..

Sunday we were out dancing all evening (ah she did look so lovely too.. her slight, lively body, as always, immaculately dressed), along with organizing our forthcoming wedding reception.

Monday we jumped back into the Merc. roadster, did some grocery shopping, .then we checked in on my boot maker.. who is making up two pairs of Cuban heeled boots.. one pair in black and the other in grey/white snakeskin, then my future wife ordered some handmade stilettos, one pair in black patent, the other in red patent and a pair of red leather handmade short boots, then off we zoomed to the casino for lunch and a couple of hours fluttering with friends.

Life is so busy. So you see, the notion, to respond to the likes of irks like you, did not get a look in.

In short, I have been busy getting on with life..

you would benefit from getting one for yourself (a life, that is)
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 11:07:06 AM
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So I'm supposed to feel like I'm missing out on something? Hardly - you sound a lot like an indulgent toff.

Sorry to disappoint you, Col, but indulging in that sort of stuff doesn't interest me. Anyway, no doubt you'll go off and pretend you're better than the rest of us no matter what any of us do or say. It's the worst form of disparagement of other people I can imagine.

And in the get a life stakes, I'd say with you 3000+ posts compared with my 600+, that I should be saying that to you.

Concede yet that your argument is one long tirade of BS?
Posted by RobP, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 12:43:33 PM
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Paul Keating’s government fixed most of the problems that Ken McKay raises in his article.
Unfortunately the corporations of Australia have been in the ascendancy since Whitlam became Prime Minister, and the erosion of democracy has been steady and decisive. The corporations have been ruling by and through corporations sole, when Australian democracy is supposed to be governed by Corporations aggregate.

The Queen or Sovereign is a Corporation Sole, whereas the Parliament is a Corporation aggregate but now subject to the rigors of Party Discipline. The Sovereign as a Corporation Sole was subjected to the discipline of a Corporation aggregate, in the only Monarchy that has survived over time. The Act that subjected the Corporation Sole to the Corporations aggregate was and remains the Magna Carta.

The Supreme Court Act 1970 in New South Wales made the Supreme Court a Corporation Sole in its civil jurisdiction, a lead followed when the Federal Court and Family Court were established, and of course the High Court in the High Court of Australia Act 1979. This is entirely illegal, and unconstitutional. By S 58 Constitution the Governor General is supposed to vet all laws. Unconstitutional laws are supposed to be reserved, or kept inoperative, until either ratified by a referendum under S 128 or dropped. A series of weak Governors General have approved lots of nasty laws.

Without Corporations aggregate to refine and purify bad laws, democracy does not exist. The Corporations aggregate were the ultimate authourity in democratic Australia. They were the only place that had to be obeyed, and are called court, without a capital letter in S 79 Australian Constitution. Likewise the word judges without a capital letter, mandates civil jury trial in a Corporation aggregate. Since the Habeas Corpus Act 1640 16 Charles 1 Ch X any other court has been illegal.

However there have been no enforcers of these laws. Now at last with a professional Policeman as head of the Australian Federal Police, we may have Commonwealth Police willing to accept their obligations to enforce the laws of the Commonwealth. Their priority should be; control the States
Posted by Peter the Believer, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 10:16:33 AM
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RobP “Sorry to disappoint you, Col, but indulging in that sort of stuff doesn't interest me.”

As a libertarian I recognize your right not to be interested…. That is whats good about libertarians.. we accept and delight in the differences of individuality.

“pretend you're better than the rest of us”

I measure my life by its inherent quality and the happiness I experience.

I don’t measure my life relative to the lives of others…

You can blame it on my libertarian perspective… but it works for me.

“And in the get a life stakes, I'd say with you 3000+ posts compared with my 600+,”

You do what you want and I do what I want… who cares how many posts..

maybe you would also like to compare the length of our respective manhood… we might well be similarly proportioned there too –

You know what I mean, you 600 and me 3000

“Concede yet that your argument is one long tirade of BS?”

No .. it is you, who are so steeped in envy and the need to regulate and limit the freedoms of everyone else (like you said, spending years helping "the team" build statutes), that is full of BS …

I am a happy chappy, about to marry a most beautiful lady, about to dance into a new stage of my life (we dance at least twice weekly.. mainly Latin) and still sure, even after all these years, that I still have lots still to give, businesses to build and parties to host –

rather than be thinking of “down-sizing” or pondering how to eek out my superfunds or moving into some secure retirement village full of worn out ex-civil servants and other assorted tossers, who now look back over their nice secure little lives and wonder why they ever bothered.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 10:44:26 AM
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I have not upset the atheists and agnostics on this forum for a while. The Australian Prayer Network had a feature article recently on the role of the Christian church in society. The statute laws of Australia especially the Constitution are firmly rooted in the Holy Bible. When we departed from its guidance, we have had to suffer corporate irresponsibility.

In the Holy Bible in Matthew 7:1 the first thing a Christian is requested to do is refrain from judging others. In Matthew 7:7-12 it says if a Christian asks, Almighty God will grant his request. Since Almighty God is the ultimate Corporation Sole recognized by Muslim and Christian alike, every Judge should grant every request in writing filed in any Court. However, Jesus Christ introduced the separation of powers doctrine in the Holy Bible. The place it is found is in John 5:22-23, where the Corporation Sole vested judgment in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in his turn, promised that where two or three are gathered together, in his absence, ( he has been away about 2000 years) He will be present. This is the Corporation aggregate. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with the Holy Spirit as promised to find all truth. The truth is called a verdict. ( a true saying).

This basic democracy, adopted by the English as their Constitution, by the Magna Carta Statute, has stood the test of time. No one should ever be imprisoned unless a jury says so. Judges and Magistrates are offenders. The articles of Association of Corporation Australia is the Constitution. It relies on the blessing of Almighty God. To top it all off Jesus Christ makes it the unforgivable sin to deny the Holy Spirit. This is found in Luke 12 verses 10-12. The Christian Bible binds Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second by Her Coronation Oath 1688 ( Imp). The Parliament of the Commonwealth starts each day with the Lord’s prayer, from Matthew 6:9-13. S 116 Constitution forbids the Parliaments from introducing any other religion. Some of our Pastors and clergymen have been a little slack in teaching these democratic fundamentals
Posted by Peter the Believer, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 10:53:48 AM
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Well, Col, you're just proving you're the worst type of patronising tosser.

One day people like you will be given the big elbow and others will finally get a chance to do things in either a non-competitive environment or one where they do not get run over by people that are better than them or who happen to be driving a bigger truck.

But, by then the meek will inherit the legacy you leave. So, all I can say, Col, is keep it up, son. Just be careful to get out the way when a bigger truck than you comes through.

So what that you've got a nice woman hanging off your arm? Who she hangs around with says more about her than you.
Posted by RobP, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 11:01:57 AM
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