RobP… you are just a sad little tic.

Regarding “I worked as part of a 12-team, 14-year project that delivered a sizeable diplomatic/scientific outcome to the Government.”

Just the place for a non-achiever to ensconce themselves
I would expect to something pretty spectacular and not just “sizable” for 168 man-years of effort

Slasher, if a corporation is found guilty of a criminal offense, such as price fixing or EPA offences the company pays a fine. the shareholders return on investment is diminished.. thus they do share and “suffer” the penalty.

Similarly the directors and officers may be fined and / or imprisoned.

Imposing fines or imprisonment on individual shareholders because of the offenses of a company they happen to hold shares in might cause problems… what happens when the shares are held by a superfund, mutual fund or insurance company – you will need a big prison if all the superannuates and policy holders are to be incarcerated too.

Again we come back to individuals exercising discretionary action. A shareholder is, essentially, a passive role outside of AGMs and the exercise of stock options.

Addressing policy issues from the perspective of “an example based on flea ridden accommodation” is not a viable strategy either.

mikk “Withdrawing ones labour (strike) is the only power a worker has against a boss “

a worker can always negotiate, arbitrate or even resign… all of which I have used many times…

<<RobP… you are just a sad little tic.>>

Col Rouge,

You are an arrogant piece of shite. The project was Australia's Law of the Sea Project that was ratified by the UN last year. Go look it up, loser.

RobP “You are an arrogant piece of shite.”

Maybe so but I am free to be as big a piece of shite as I want…

Of course, you are free to be as big or little a tic as you can aspire to (which means likely to be on the smaller size).

“The project was Australia's Law of the Sea Project that was ratified by the UN last year.”

Doubtless, we will appreciate your contribution in the number of commas and apostrophes in the text…

As for “ratified by the UN”… so may things have been ratified by the UN that the term has lost all value.

Personally I would rather be remembered for what I, as an individual, can claim, maybe a picture or some other aesthetic or constructive contribution like a beneficial software program or a perspective on business management methods (oooooh – done all those), rather than as the proof reader of a here today, discarded tomorrow, volume of dry, bureaucratic text,

As for “Go look it up, loser”

It might be there at the moment but give it a little while and it will all be lost…

Then you would be suggesting, paradoxically, “the loser go look for the lost”…

Somehow, I think that would conform with your life choices, rather than my own “pursuit of arrogant individuality”.

Corporations have no soul. As non living entities, they have no conscience, are totally irresponsible, and supply most of the money the legal profession requires to survive. The same applies to Unions, who are also corporations, but whose leaders have some sort of conscience. The English overcame these deficiencies in the corporate soul, by making them equally accountable to the law of the land as an individual, and since they cannot be imprisoned, set a penalty five times that which could be imposed upon an individual on them.

Since corporations have no soul, but the Directors are supposed to have one, the lawyers decided to make us all citizens without a soul. Since we are now all treated as corporations, entities created by the State, with no living breathing feelings that the law can acknowledge, subject to the arbitrary judgment of State Officers, we have no morality whatsoever. Neither the Unions nor the Corporations they deal with ever have to answer to a court. This is a uniquely Australian slant on the law. It should not happen, because the Constitution is supposed to protect living breathing individuals, from predatory Corporations like the Australian Government, and the eight State Governments, but currently is not doing so.

When the Australian Federal Police was created in 1979, its Act gave it the duty to protect ordinary people, by enforcing the laws of the Commonwealth. It remained a Political Police, until the 7th September 2009. when Commissioner Tony Negus, a professional policeman was sworn in. A question to the Hon Brendan O’Connor, asking if he was going to continue to dictate law enforcement to the Australian Federal Police, as Howard had done, met with a negative.

Commissioner Negus will now be free to allow anyone to make a complaint to the Australian Federal Police. Paul Keating’s government repaired the breach of S 116 Constitution, where the States imposed corporate status on individuals, making them subject to State laws, not the laws approved by Almighty God, and denying everyone complete jury trial, whether a living breathing individual, or a heartless corporation. Negus can bring peace

"It might be there at the moment but give it a little while and it will all be lost…"

As will your software program. It all turns to dust eventually. The thing with the Law of the Sea outcome – it is actually an enforceable international agreement on Australia's Extended Continental Shelf which will give us marine jurisdictional security – is that IT will last for centuries, my dear Col. Way longer than the likes of you or me. Or your software program (presumably this is the one you haven’t written yet, but are still pondering over or procrastinating about?).

"Doubtless, we will appreciate your contribution in the number of commas and apostrophes in the text…"

And BTW, oh great one, I did a bit more than write apostrophes and text. Believe it or not, I wrote more than a few computer programs to reformat data, calculate sediment thickness profiles, which were then imported into our GIS software and then used to generate profiles across the continental shelf. As well, I did a fair bit of grunt work in writing geological/geophysical critical point reports as well as the bulk of technical reports for the 10 study areas (which you can see in the link below).

If you are so inclined, you can look up the Executive Summary here:
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/aus04/Documents/aus_doc_es_web_delivery.pdf

If you ask me, I'll rather have my job than being an accountant any day - Sorry, Col, couldn't resist!.

"Of course, you are free to be as big or little a tic as you can aspire to (which means likely to be on the smaller size)."

Col Rouge,

Speaking of size, your outcome, whatever it is, is like Gilligan's boat up against a supertanker.

It's been rather quiet the last couple of days - I take it you have now conceded the argument and are undergoing a period of sustained self-flagellation?