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We are all Africans : Comments

By Nayan Chanda, published 30/7/2009

Massive amounts of genetic research has laid to rest any doubt about our African origin.

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Hi sharkfin - good for you for reading the article, but you still don't seem to get it. You've talked about basic biology, but do you understand the difference between genotype and phenotype?

Just because people look different from each other doesn't mean that their behaviour and intellectual capacity derive from those superficial differences. Sure, people are treated differently by others because of those superficial differences, but that doesn't mean that there's any biological basis to it. What this research does is effectively pull the rug out from under any biological or genetic arguments in favour of 'race', and hence racism.

<< You would do well to not except (sic) blindly everything the scientists tell us. They have had to modify or change their minds about other things they have proclaimed as certain on more than one occasion >>

Which is, of course, the value of education over autodidacticism. Scientific method demands that all knowledge is provisional. The "racial" classifications that you seem to think are biological facts were devised by scientists centuries ago, and have had to be discarded as new evidence has come to light. That's the way science works.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:11:08 PM
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Making some issue out of the origin of the species will nto solve or resolve anything. Soemtimes people relate to the previous ten generations and others to merely the immediate previous and the next and others still only to their own existence.

It all adds up to squat.

You will only resolve racial differences by ignoring origins and accepting

we are all individuals and worthy of mutual respect for being that unique character which we each represent.
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 10 August 2009 9:49:58 AM
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Hello COL Rogue
<you will only resolve racial differences by ignoring origins and accepting we are all individuals and worthy of mutual respect for being that unique character which we each represent.>
I agree that would be the best way to solve racism and ethnic cleansing, but we have been telling the world this for 40 or 50years at least and it hasn’t worked and glancing around the globe at many trouble spots it is still not working. Trying to solve this at the educational level has failed.

So go to plan B-: Try to tackle it from the biological level(the survival level) Our observations as (opposed to our genetic lab experiments that C J Morgan informs us of) tell us that whenever you have two ethnic groups large in numbers that there is a strong possibility that violence and death will result.
This leads to two possible ways to advance :-
1.-- Something dear to CJ’s heart-- Keeping a sustainable
Population and so keep the territorial aggression to a manageable level- I believe it’s called racial tolerance.

2.---Control immigration by bringing in all males for a set period of time until they intregrate and then bringing in all females for a set number of years until they intregrate. In other words discourage the formation of tribes and tribal areas (segregration )in cities.

Acknowledge that our observations (seeing is believing) , tell us that people consistently show more loyalty to their tribes than they do to any country. There may be other ways of managing mass migration so it doesn’t result in tribalism and divided loyalties. Stop flogging a dead horse with the education and trust that people will understand solution and try a physical solution.
Active solutions not talking ones.

Posted by sharkfin, Monday, 10 August 2009 1:20:29 PM
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Sorry I misspelled your name Col, I was having issues with my computer cords and in the end I was tired of it and posted it and went and had lunch for a while.

C J Morgan <Autodidacticism, are you trying to seduce me with these sexy BIG words? Does size matter? Yes I do mean that the way you are all thinking.

From what I can deduce from my trusty Oxford Dictionary it means the automatic teaching that something is so. That was why Einstein fell out with his university professors wasn’t it he didn’t agree that some of the things they were teaching were so.
I don’t think we can see eye to eye on this race issue CJ, it doesn’t matter what science says about race the fact is that most world conquerors didn’t ask for their opinion and they won’t in the future either.
I wish you salubrious-ness in all that comes your way.
Posted by sharkfin, Monday, 10 August 2009 3:24:46 PM
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Sharkfin “but we have been telling the world this for 40 or 50years at least and it hasn’t worked and glancing around the globe at many trouble spots it is still not working.”

Life is like that, simply because something is not listened too does not detract from its merit…. Likewise just because something is a populist choice does not infer it is right.

My preference is to go with the right views, regardless of its popularity… ultimately the alternative (the popularly wrong objective) is for politicians and others (of slippery / malleable moral standing).

Ultimately attempting to develop changes in attitude by any other method than education is what does not work. The education process is unfortunately not as expeditious a method to suit the demands of the “here today gone tomorrow” politicians who we appoint to direct such spending into education but that is just one of the facts of life.

As for the sustainable solution… I think that ship left the harbor along time ago… the only solution is population control with view to reduction of human numbers. The problem then becomes - who gets to say who is allowed to procreate or otherwise?

And if you read my original post I would be the last person to complain about typographical errors (albeit in your instance to my name) :-)
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 1:06:36 PM
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