Eclipse Now, mate, take a deep breath, let it out slowly, let your shoulders roll forward, let your breath all the way out. There you go, feel better now, repeat if necessary.

Relax, you're going to blow a gasket at this rate. People will jerk your chain deliberately for fun if you keep these displays going.

Your anger is overcoming your reason and you're beginning to blither like some deranged religious nutter, and no one wants to see that.

BTW - ranting about peer reviewed papers and demanding scientific method, then linking to Wikipedia is not a good look, you do realize wiki is open source don't you and not considered more than uncorroborated web graffiti?

At least Wiki is a little more reliable than the ranting denialists who do not link to any credible peer reviewed scientific based data.
In the meantime the arctic ice is getting thinner, the USA is hotter and we have a 10 year drought, and another El Nino on its way and the rivers are empty (you can walk across the Murrumbidgee at Wagga and this is winter and should be flooded), Sydney is going to be like Brisbane and the world temperatures are still higher than it was 100 years ago and rising.
How many people are going to die when they are flooded, run out of resources, agriculture fails and there is no room elsewhere? NIMBY
We cannot support the 10 billion that are expected irrespective of any temperature rises if we have induced it or not.

Peter A, OMG "We cannot support the 10 billion"! "How many people are going to die .. etc" Dooooooom!

Another ranter .. is it the day of the week to all shout at people who disagree with you and claim the world is ending? Do you find that method of communicating effective? Have you made many converts or friends with this method, or is it just anger release?

Like Eclipse Now take a deep breath and relax, it might never happen.

I'm still reading through all the content referenced in the article, have you read it all through? What do you think or the report and supporting documents?

I know you love folks to post links so you can go wild shredding them and sneering at the "the ranting denialists who do not link to any credible .. etc" yes, we get the message. I don't post links for your amusement, nor do I bother with following most of the links to favorite "how to deal with a sceptic/alarmist" sites, Google wars don't interest me. The report in interesting though, have I asked whether you have read it?

I'm not a denier, I just question whether mankind is responsible for any warming, and I think we should be adapting not trying to stop or reverse the climate. When you say "denialist", I know that you have suspended objective analysis and become religious, OK fine now you're into insults, again, fine I don't mind you having a religion.

What is it you think people are denying, that the world is warming, no I get that, and I'm OK with it, how about you? Are you in denial that the climate is going to change and you cannot do a dang thing about it. Is it a feeling of loss of power that makes you want to rant and be angry at people who do not believe the same things you do?

Sydney gets Brisbane weather, you make it sound like a bad thing?

RPG,
The wiki is merely a list of credible scientific organisations that agree with global warming, and is fully referenced. Check the footnotes for references — you do know that’s how wikipedia works?

Also, I think you made a typo. You meant to say:

“I’m not a denier, I just don’t like physics, chemistry, spectrometry, or science generally, so I’m going to call *you* religious while *I* refuse to deal with the facts. I’ll also attempt to hide my inability to find any credible anti-warming science by misrepresenting a request for actual scientific information as “Google wars”. (Anything instead of admitting to having an unjustified and ridiculous opinion). But I’m right and you’re wrong and RELIGIOUS as well! Mwawhahwahwa!”

Yep, you’ve won me over! ;-)

BTW — your last point about Sydney getting Brisbane weather is classic Denialist myth number 25, “It’s too cold where I live, warming will be great!” Please realise that climatologists admit there WILL be some winners, but mostly losers. We are ‘only’ talking about an extra 2 little Christmas tree lights per cubic meter of atmosphere, yet that small amount of extra energy will have some catastrophic results on some very important parts of the world, as the main OLO article explained.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11657-climate-myths-its-too-cold-where-i-live--warming-will-be-great.html

Back to Odo on his historical Co2 readings. Come on mate, we need something new here that the REAL climatologists have never seen before... you obviously *think* you’ve got something that can do the trick, why not give it a go?

Peter A, I agree. Population growth as we hit “peak everything” while the climate is also destabilising. And they act like there’s nothing to be concerned about!? Ultimately I’m an optimist and think we’ll adapt, and humanity (and pockets of civilisation) will survive even the worst case global warming scenarios. This is not “The End of the World”, but maybe the end of global prosperity, with increased wars? Very possible.

Eclipse Now,

In the case of the IPCC and the few real scientists involved, there was no peer review; they were all feeding fromt the same money trough. It took independent scientists a long time and legal action against the purveyor of the the 'hockey stick' chart before it was proven to be fraudulent because historic data was left out.

No. They did not take into account historical or other possible and known causes of climate-change!

You call me 'arrogant'. I call you an ignoramus without a brain to think for himself, you gullible twit.

Consensus and your pagan Green religion is not science, you nutter.

Eclipse now, I'm not going to play an adversarial game of comparing links and web references, I don't rabbit on about CO2, so I have no idea what you're blithering about.

"Come on mate, we need something new here etc .. yada yada .. give it a go?" Does it frustrate you when skeptics won't play the "compare religious readings" game?

" ... classic Denialist myth number 25", sounds like classic provocation from "How to deal with Sceptics" type web sites, correct? Whoop some heretics? Prove your worth to the cause?

You feel very strongly about this don't you?

BTW the "Sydney is going to be like Brisbane" is a quote from Peter As post, I responded to it to jerk his chain, he was winding up the doom scenario a little much.

"Ultimately I’m an optimist and think we’ll adapt", yay! So can we stop all the alarmism and frothing at the mouth business?

My opinion is that anyone who thinks they can change or reverse the climate is deluded and that adapting is better than spending energy, time and money doing it.

Now, back on topic, have you read the report, what do you think of it?