it's good to see this revolting little creep is getting the response he deserves.

Plans going a little awry for you Mr Bast? And what do you think of the shocking reviews of Plimer's "Heaven and Mirth" by Australia's most eminent scientists eh?

But you sure have impressed Steve Fielding (aka Rip Van Winkle) who's only just discovered climate change but clearly he doesn’t believe the light-weight Plimer, otherwise why would he grace you with his presence in the US? And could you please advise Mr Bast why Fielding failed to consult our leading climate scientists in Australia? Aw…..what a c**kup you guys are making!

Yessir, but the Heartland Institute sure puts on a good conference with many distinguished speakers. For instance, I recall last year, there was the estimable Prof. Fred Singer, a world class denier who has accepted contributions from Exxon, Shell, ARCO, Unocal, and Sun Oil and who denies not only global warming but also cigarettes/lung cancer and CFCs/ozone depletion. Hey what a guy!

Now the mob's invading Australian forums, setting you up as their "top tyrant" to redeem their botched cause. But you and your mob will not be excused for the damage you're doing to our planet. So off you go now Mr Bast and leave our respected Sharon Beder to continue her good works for the Australian community.

CJ, Beefyboy, Sancho...

I read Peter The Believer's post, and from what I gathered, the initial post that you quoted CJ, was merely a preface to an argument refuting the idea that Christianity and science must be at odds.

This is a point I'd heartily endorse, because regardless of our many differing theological quibbles, I'd hope that different philosophies can come together on this issue.

Sometimes PtB's posts tend to be too religion focused (i.e. his many posts indicating that our legal system, parliament and so on, are all flawed because they drifted from some kind of weird theocratic christian concept, which really creeps me the hell out) but here it seems to make sense.

So yeah - religion and science don't need to be at odds.

As for the 'heartland institute'...

... ... it's called the 'heartland institute.'

Pfft.

I bet I could mount an awesome argument tearing this to pieces.
In actuality, I think 'pfft' is about as much as this childish spray deserves. I haven't read the piece it purports to demolish... but even if the piece it's attacking is trash, it doesn't justify more trash.

Whenever I travel to the USA for the latest scientific research, knowledge and data, I always find it a tough choice between NASA and Heartland.

NASA

or

Heartland?

Hmmmmmmm, have to really think on this.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html

or

http://www.heartland.org/suites/tobacco/

?

Where does an intelligent person go?

An organisation that actually does science? And has done so with considerable success - moon landing, shuttles and offers minute by minute observations of the entire earth?

Or an organisation that defends and is subsidised by Tobacco industry?

Bast, clearly Fielding made a wrong turn at LAX and wound up in your lobby by mistake. I am a magnanimous person and am willing to concede he made a honest mistake.

Good luck with the sales of "Please Don’t Poop in My Salad" (serious) love the disclaimer, Bast:

"Defending smokers is a thankless task in today’s politically correct environment, and Bast doesn’t deny that smoking is an unhealthy habit."

Bast defending the indefensible.

One of my fans, decries my research that has connected our legal system to Christianity, but he should invest $20 and read the book State of Fear, by the late Michael Crichton. Crichton has a thirty page bibliography in the back of it, backing his conclusion that Climate Change, is a psychop, an operation to psyschologically manipulate the general public.

The novel itself could not be set in Australia because in Australia the issue cannot at the moment get a fair trial. It is set on the issue of a low lying island in the Pacific, suing the United States, for damages, for causing global warming, by its pollution and consumerism. A millionaire put up a million dollars, the best Counsellor is engaged, and forty people are put together in a research team. The Senior Counsel finally concludes the case cannot be won in front of a jury. Plenty of murder and mayhem, along the way as well. A jolly good read.

One of the problems most of us in Australia have is that we have not yet lived long enough. By living for a fair while, reading extensively, and having time to do research, it is quite clear that the only reason England and after them the United States survived as a State, was their adoption of a Christian legal system. We are not having riots like Teheran is. We have had no Tianmen Square, although we did have the Gordon riots, in England, when they admitted Roman Catholics back into the mainstream. We have now adopted the Roman Catholic Legal System in Australia, and that really annoys me.

Protestant Christianity hates slavery, but we have been made slaves, of the States. We must work, or some of us must, to maintain our State masters, without getting anything in return. The Global Warming Scam, is an invention to enslave us again, but this time to the Commonwealth. It is tribalism, where the Tribe wants to enforce its will on all. Christianity was the end of tribalism.
Belief in the Trinity is a belief in a higher authority

<”One of my fans, decries my research that has connected our legal system to Christianity, but he should invest $20 and read the book State of Fear, by the late Michael Crichton.”>

Peter T B, our legal system has nothing to do with christianity, it derives from Canaanite, Sumerian, Greek and Roman origins, well before christianity and god. Do some proper anthropological research, don't just rely upon ideological fairy tales. Canaanite societies were the first western style democracies, their history, laws and customs are fully documented and reflect a humane approach to justice, unlike the barbaric Abrahmic ones they replaced. Michael Critchon was a writer and doctor, he was a big advocate of the rights of smokers, denying smoking caused problems. He died of throat cancer. Most of his writing is science fiction and very good.

What do you class as living long enough. England and the USA survived in spite of their christianity, both have extensive histories of barbarism, inequality, discrimination, slavery and genocidal invasion against all they encountered. Those are the only christian values they aspire to, as none other are viewable or demonstrative. No we haven't had riots like they have else where when the people have been suppressed, they killed as many as they could and enslaved the rest of the indigenous when they objected to christian values and legal system being imposed upon them.

Protestant christianity thrived on slavery, the USA being the prime example. Christianity is a tribe of god, as is Islam and Judaism, they are even described in the OT bible as that. Like all tribes they act the same when faced with difference, convert, enslave, or destroy. It's interesting most denying climate change are religious, or follow some other destructive ideology. Could that be a deep fear of reality, so denial must hold sway, psychologically, it could be described as such.