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The origins and history of Jordan : Comments

By David Singer, published 2/6/2009

There have been countless statements made by Arab leaders attesting to the fact that Jordan forms part of Palestine.

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It matters not one jot what you think mate the decision will be made by the people that live there. To unilaterally decide that Jordan will become Palestine without taking into account the wants and views of the people who live there at the moment is just the height of imperialistic arrogance and bound to be rejected.
Another tactic from the "there were no palestinians" brigade with their eletist, inhuman attitudes towards their neighbors.

Why shouldnt the palestinians that fled or were pushed from their homes in current day israel be allowed to return or be compensated. If someone leaves their home, for whatever reason, it is unconscionable for another to come along and declare it his property because it is currently uninhabited by its owner/s. That is theft. Hardly fair by anyones definition mate.

What about the settlements? Do they get removed? Given to israel? Become palestinians? What about Jerusalem? I note you phrased yourself real well there didnt you.
"Jordan expanded its borders between 1948-1967 to include ALL of the West Bank. I am suggesting Jordan return to that position in relation to the HEAVILY POPULATED ARAB areas of the West Bank." What a weasel.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 3:40:50 PM
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David,

What happens to the Israeli "settlements" on the West Bank in your idea for a greater Jordan? I'll bet not one settler has to leave either, it's still a Bantustan.
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 4:34:18 PM
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David

I was about to put up the exact same question as mac's. Where do the Jewish settlements stand in all of this? Some other questions arise:

How would the physical border go? What would the physical map look like?

What makes you think that Jewish Israelis would accept a pepper grinder scattering of Jewish settlements on the West Bank within a Jordanian landscape?

Just because the Arabs of the West Bank would have Jordanian citizenship and the Gazans Egyptian citizenship, how does this eliminate the 100s of checkpoints and Jews-only roads - if at all?

Who would own the resources of the physical landforms on which the Palestinians are living - Jordan, Egypt and/or Israel?

Who would control the airspace and waterways?
Posted by SJF, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 4:53:04 PM
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SJF. Shifting Jewish settlers out of their homes in Palestine would be fairer than the shifting of Arabs from their homes by the Zionists when they occupied Palestine as the Arabs were there legally, while the Jewish settlements are illegal.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 7:23:02 PM
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# dane

Palestine has already been wiped off the map and replaced by Jordan and Israel with sovereignty in only Gaza and the West Bank - 6% of former Palestine - remaining unallocated between Jews and Arabs.

# mikk

I agree that the people will make the decisions. Problem is the Arabs have been making a series of bad choices since 1937. They look set to continue that practice. That is their choice. It won't result in peace - merely prolong the conflict.

Certainly compensation should be negotiated but this is a two way street. Jews driven out of or forced to leave Arab countries need to be compensated as well.

The settlements will stay where they are and be incorporated in the expanded boundaries of Israel.

Jerusalem has already been resolved within the existing peace treaty between Israel and Jordan.

# mac

There will be one large undivided territory in the West Bank that will become part of Jordan.

# SJF

There will be no pepper grinder scattering of Jewish settlements within a Jordanian landscape. West Bank Jews will reside within the expanded borders of Israel. West Bank Arabs will reside within the expanded borders of Jordan. To the extent this might not be possible those located on the "wrong side" of the new border could be offered the option of staying where they live or offered compensation if they choose to move. I don't think the number affected would be very large. Both Jordan and Israel would be sovereign in the areas of the West Bank allocated to them in the negotiations.

# VK3AUU

Jews lived in the West Bank and Gaza before they were driven out of there in the 1948 War. The idea that the West Bank is Arab land is a furphy. It is territory to which both Jews and Arabs lay claim. Jews lived legally in the West Bank before 1948 pursuant to the provisions of the Mandate for Palestine. Their right to return and settle there after 1967 was preserved by Article 80 of the UN Charter.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 10:54:01 PM
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that Jordan as a nation was “a contrivance arbitrarily devised by a few strokes of the pen”.

that Israel as a nation was “a contrivance arbitrarily devised by a few strokes of the pen”.

What is your point?
Why not one land for one people after all three are Canaanites
Posted by Kenny, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 9:04:55 AM
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