JBowyer

No, not very smart. If I was, then I would be making a motza on the public speaking circuit denouncing AGW (aka Carter, Bellamy, Evans & Co) or engendering fear into the minds of people like you about ‘the sky is about to fall’ – neither of which is true.

If you are suggesting my “blah blah blah” to Ratty is “nonsensical”, then you really do not understand the science behind global warming. My guess is you don’t want to believe in global warming (for whatever reason) and are adopting a defence mechanism to suit your action ... correction, inaction.

“Silly hobby horse. Get a life!” ... No JBowyer. Science is my career and I know something about land/ocean/atmosphere coupled systems. Oh yeah, I am not in it for the money – my bank manager can attest to that.

Do you really think Albert Einstein, IBM, the Y2 bug or the UN Food Programme have something to do with the physics or chemistry of global warming? What playing field are you on, or do you just like changing goal posts when you feel uncomfortable with the other players?

JBowyer, I can’t speak for Protagoras, but there is a difference between ‘smart’ and ‘intelligent’, not necessarily mutually exclusive of course.

Dear sad protogas well you are playing the martyr here and no one loves you or is impressed by all your qualifications, toughen up princess.

I have been around a long time and have gone through all the sincere "this time it really is dangerous" nonsense. I have been told all my life something is going to cause the end of the world all different and all absolutely true, I am still here lol.

I only mentioned the Y200 bug which as we all know was a million dollar con perpetrated by frauds who made a lot of money from people duped and then too embarrassed to complain (The perfect con!)

Also the UN Food con they are now making a come back to say we are all going to starve to death haahaha! another beautiful con!

Smart does not mean intelligent and intelligen may not mean smart but
whatever I say you are convinced you are right with the folly of youth, please do yourself a favour and just get a life.

Science- do not make me laugh! They cannot even get todays weather forecast right so I have never been impressed with people who tell me trust me, give me money or the world is going to end lol. You must think we are all mugs?
Here is a project for you, note how many times you hear the term Global Warming? Well it is changing now because the world has stopped warming so we call it something new "Climate change" and you reckon the oceans are rising what planet are you on? What an absolute joke.

Climate change exists as REGIONAL-vectors of increased heat flowing along ENTROPY-gradients.

Ze concept of Global climate change is spurious. Ze concept of Global (AGW) warming is ludicrous. How can a greenhouse spinning ze atmospheric boundary layer at 1000Mph be und greenhouse? I zink dis is und PROPAGANDA for ze economic/genitalia stimulus package. No better way to grow economies than AGW-worried women having more babies!

Cosmetics allure, Fornication, fighting for women, lack of fornication, pregnancy & natal care is ze biggest (90% all commerce) global market sector on zis planet. Some people here been sleeping I zink!

Here is ze rub. More economic stimulus=more babies=more marine pollution from lipstick, nappies, farm-chemistry, landfill leachates und industrial-fish-kiiler-poisons (Hello Mr Gunns$friends Rudd&Garret).

Now ze incremental increase in loss of marine biomass, Mb, from economic stimulus packages causes und increase in REGIONAL oceanic heats proportioonal to E=MbC^2 -You know my famous equation ja? Zis can be calculate to much greater value than ze any kind of CO2 heat trappings. Zis will become more evident in 1-3 economic stimulus years, not 100 year silly global warming crystal ball gazings.

Now back to my first point, you see up there at the top? Pay attention! Now we have ze same Entropy gradient but less marine ecology life to absorb ze ocean heat. Zis means more heat flowing into Queensland from ze equatorial to mak flood. Und flowing to dirty Tasman sea via Victoia from ze dead-heart to mak bushfire.

So you see Climate change is caused by placard waving ,save the environment women und zer babies. Und women are being manipulated by ze makers of ze economic/genital stimulus packages. How equal-righted und smart is zat? Yust as vell zey's pretty ja!

Zer is only one sustainable solution for ze humankind ... KAEP (zat is PEAK spells backward ja?).

Ze current unsustainable 'populate and perisch' breeding-of-the-fittest-consumer solution to ze human future is no future at all.

Ze sky will not fall...oh-no..but your children will kill you in your sleep soon enough, ja? Being German I know somesing about zis.

Now vere's my brush?

A. Einstein.

"I have been around a long time........." (JBowyer)

So has Alf Garnett..........silly moo!

Even if people here have every right to pick and choose what to believe or who to trust on climate science I expect Australia's governments to take seriously the advice of the CSIRO on matters of science. Unless CSIRO's science and advice is seriously out of step with the rest of the scientific world (and it's not) I think it's imperative it be treated with genuine seriousness. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology appears to agree with the CSIRO as do the science faculties at our universities. Individuals have every right to disagree but the fundamental of AGW are not in serious scientific dispute within any major scientific institution around the world. The scientific case for AGW has grown stronger, not weaker. Me, I think they're telling us the truth, as best they can, from what actually collecting and studying the data can tell us. They are saying it's likely that heatwaves across south eastern Australia wouldn't have been that hot or that prolonged except for global warming. CSIRO studies show as likely consequences of AGW... Reduced rainfall - making dry conditions drier. More evaporation -making dry conditions drier. Warmer overnight average minimums - making dry conditions drier - and critically, less nights with dew and frost over greater areas there is the practical consequence of being less able to count on cool nights to extingish or significantly retard fires, meaning less opportunities to undertake controlled burning off with safety. That's global warming contributing to the recent busfires. Add extreme hot winds at the height of an exceptionally extreme heatwave and it's a recipe for firestorms - worse firestorms than in the absence of global warming.

Even if people here have every right to pick and choose what to believe or who to trust on climate science, what's gonna happen is gonna happen .. und its happening fast.

I expect Australia's governments to take seriously economic growth, immigration, baby bonuses and 'F' the Environment because they think with their little heads and not their brains.

The advice of the CSIRO matters little.

Unless CSIRO's science and advice is seriously upgraded to include how the human footprint on this nation & the world, is a hyperdimensional Morse Mapping
closely related to DEMOGRAPHICS/GEOGRAPHY &MARINE ECOLOGY and not atmospheric chemistry, they out of step with REALITY.
This Morse map in question is a 3-Surface with ENTROPY metric and very obvious but somewhat distasteful parametric endpoints. The Ricci flow solutions across this Morse Map are so clear in the mathematics that it is hard to NOT know what is going on and what is very soon about to happen.

The rest of the scientific world, The Australian Bureau of Meteorology & science faculties at our universities are failing not only Australian citizens in their rush for lost economic grandeur. They are failing themselves. If they are true scientists I know their intuition is already needling them. The fiscal restraints that keep them 'mum' also bind them to an economic/population growth mantra that will have us all playing deck chairs on the Titanic in short order.