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A social democratic response to the Great Depression of 2008 : Comments

By Ken McKay, published 19/3/2009

We are staring into the abyss while deluding ourselves that the world’s economists will conjure up some magic.

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Ken,
Interesting ideas, worthy of more consideration.
I'd like to see more on how you intend implementing your industry wide idea given the disparity of sizes and variety of enterprise unique situations.
Presumably there would be industry wide unions. “One out all” is both unionisms strength and weakness. This could/would provide unique and publicly unacceptable problems, shutting down an entire enterprise or industries.
The investment scheme appeals to me but I would like to see more details.
Regards
Examinator
Posted by examinator, Thursday, 19 March 2009 1:46:54 PM
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examinator,

The industry funds is a mechanism to change the bias in our economy to debt financing over savings for investment. The current system rewards high leveraging. This makes Australian corporations dependent on the availability of foreign capital. The creation of the industry funds underpinned with a charter of "socially responsible behaviour" adds an additional tool to countercyclical policy toolchests.

Democratising investment decisions within corporate Australia is necessary to advance social democracy.
Leaving the economic future entirely in the hands of the captains of industry has seen shareholders funds squandered on excessive executive salaries. It also allows scope to simplify the taxation system. By providing tax free status for the investment funds all other deductions relating to investment and capital products could be removed.
Posted by slasher, Friday, 20 March 2009 5:27:23 AM
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Growing from the 1950s until the present time, we have developed several multinations the size of countries. Within these organizations Western Managerialism has fueled the notion "enough" is never enough enough. Circa 1974, the system shuddered, and now, again.

Emulating the Japan Inc of the 60s, 70s & 80s, is a bit of a furphy, because over these three decades, the West (primarily the US) allowed Japan to protect its markets and grow (to stem Communism), while the US opened its markets to Japan. The Keitsu under MITI, leveraged advantage. The circumstances are different and the West is not in a position copy the Japan-West distortion, the West set-up in the first place.

Sustaining elite managers, even in times of their obvious failure is costing society dearly. Yet,these executive managers are small-fry; when compared to the transnational oliarchs, who are untouchable.

Six times since 1906, the DOW has halved its index, only to return:

Currently, likewise, there is resistence around 7,000 (from 14,000). There must be a major psychological component, as the environment for each half-way bounce was very difference. Only in the 1930s did the DOW fall though further, to one-eighth of the previous peak capitalisation. Are we headed there? Too soon to know, I suspect.

US demand on China's manufacture is critical. Sino reserves of USD two trillion, proping the US, would not last long were US demand to collapse. Then what we now see and read, would be monor by comparison.

Market economnists, so quiick to point-the-bone at Political Economics and Socialism, rest back, in the leather chairs and stare at their walnut panelling, as publically funded Corporate Socialism, abounds
Posted by Oliver, Friday, 20 March 2009 3:46:09 PM
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I am no Economist but it simply amazes me that the monolithic US expenditure on war does not figure in these discussions ?
Posted by ShazBaz001, Sunday, 22 March 2009 4:23:55 PM
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The half of the index of previous high of the DOW seems to be a resistence point, as throughout history. (See above)

I wonder if the US policy makers are trying to reduce future debt (principal) via inflation? If so, this approach is risky business.

Low cost borrowers of today will not be able to meet future interest payments on debt plus interest, and, we again, have something like sub-prime crisis. Instead, its would be overcommitment as rates rise.
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:56:15 AM
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"I am no Economist but it simply amazes me that the monolithic US expenditure on war does not figure in these discussions ?"

Yes, the US government takes an enormous proportion of the wealth of that nation and spends it on virtually nothing but violating people's property rights on a vast scale, and the only thing most people can think of in response to the economic crisis is that the cause of it has got nothing to do with government, and the cure for the problem is bigger government?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Saturday, 28 March 2009 11:03:50 AM
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