*Women live their ENTIRE lives from cradle to grave viewing the world from a male perspective*

SJF, if that was the case, then it might have dawned on those
women that most blokes will do one hell of a lot for them, if
they get a bit of nookie occasionally.

Instead, we have this demonstration of feminist power by SOME women, not all, they control
things, by saying no. Fair enough, they control things, don't
be amazed if men wander elsewhere.

Sheesh, a few minutes on your back is not that hard darling, after
all, he goes to work all day, whilst you can drink cups of tea
with your friends, or go shopping etc.

"Sheesh, a few minutes on your back is not that hard darling, after
all, he goes to work all day, whilst you can drink cups of tea
with your friends, or go shopping etc."

That must be one of the most sexist things you have ever said Yabby but I don't really believe you mean it, if you want to stir that is one thing but you are usually much more adept at debate than stooping to this level.

I don't think this is what Bettina Arndt quite had in mind.

Wafa Sultan, Arab-American psychiatrist and ex-muslima, sums up the status of women in Islam in the linked video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ough-e6ThWE

I don’t think the aim of Sharia Law is to subjugate women – the aim of Sharia Law is to enforce Islam upon society. One of Islam’s beliefs is that women should be subjugated to men and you cannot pick and choose which beliefs you will accept and which you will reject if you want to remain a Muslim. It is the same for Christianity – you have to accept the whole package unless you do some amazing mental gymnastics to convince yourself that any behaviour which is inconsistent with the creed is acceptable.

Religious people put up with some extraordinary injustices and perpetrate them as well just so that they can ‘enjoy’ some of the other ‘benefits’ that they think will accrue to them by remaining members of their group. It is pointless trying to fight for the rights of
Muslim women when many of them do not want those rights. They themselves see such freedom as a threat to the benefits they gain from religion. They suppress their anger and their fear on a daily basis because their greater fear is to live without religion.

The issue here is not patriarchy or feminism or gender politics but the insidious nature of religion and the way it makes otherwise rational people do totally irrational things. Suppressing fear and anger is never a good thing and it leads to all kinds of extreme outbursts like suicide bombings and the stoning of women. Islam in its extreme forms is responsible for reprehensible crimes against human rights but only some of these are directed at Muslim women.

We should oppose any law or any behaviour that seeks to impose Islam or any other religion upon a society. If Islam takes hold in the west it will not only mean the end of freedom for women’s sexuality but the end of a great many other freedoms as well. We should do everything we can to prevent the whole package.

Coincidentally, I happen to be reading “Shari‘ah Law An Introduction” by Professor Dr Mohammed Hashim Kamali .

Dr K is no Osama, he’s what most would term a mainstream-moderate. Here’s a collage of his insights:

--There are “at least seven different schools of (Islamic) jurisprudence …(but) there is only one Shari‘ah”

--“The clear & specific injunctions of the Qur’an and Sunnah constitute the core of Shari ‘ah…there is little room for interpretation over self-evident aspect of the Shari‘ah”

--Examples of such specific injunctions... “The Quran specifies punishment for four offences, namely theft, adultery, slanderous accusation and highway robber…'As for theft, male or female, cut off their hands as retribution for their deed and exemplary punishment from God’....’As for the woman and the man guilty of adultery , flog each of them one hundred lashes. Let not compassion move you away in their case of carrying our Gods law’ …’And those who accuse chase women and fail to produce four witnesses, flog them eighty lashes and accept not their testimony ever after, for they are transgressors’ …’(highway robbery) for this offence the text prescribes three-fold punishment which consists of crucifixion , mutation of limbs and banishment’”

-- Dr K argues that “these punishments are not fixed and mandatory because the prescribed punishment is immediately followed by a forgiveness if the offender repents –though it seems, if there is no repentance such punishment is OK. His main gripe is that current Islamic societies enforce such punishments whatever the state of the offenders conscience .

--Then there this “The state in Islamic law is under obligation to comply with Shari‘ah . Hence when the state issues a command that violates the Shari‘ah , the citizen is no longer under duty to obey that command”

Now, I’m sure that Shari‘ah as envisaged for the UK will not entail some of these harsher aspects.
Afterall (some will quip) , the existence of Jewish courts + harsh mosaic laws hasn't produced uncivil outcomes.

But, then, I haven’t heard wellsprings of modern-Judaism issuing fatwas against foreign authors or, cartoonists or, justify honour killings… (!)

shocking that fundamental female deceit not been sussed out by any poster...allow me to explain...and recommend all women stop reading the rest...

article starts with 'big-lie' of "Feminism died more than two decades ago but still the backlash against women continues."...and leads on with carefully worded 'catch-phrases' intermixed with general ramblings of women and sharia...currently seems the biggest threat as viewed by females as a organized group to their power/authority to control/avoiding_accountability...aka sisterhood...is sharia...

few examples...open any newspaper...fritzel(man) the monster, daughter(female) poor victim(yet to find a report explaining this bizzare event without propaganda)...to senseless government money hand-out(still waiting on someone with knowledge to how much easy-money dished out monthly to women under banner of 'family'(possessing children)...abortions laws stripping men of all rights to their child...and on...and its worldwide...eg pelosi(yeah us congress speaker)...elected by women and men...but acts with usual biased feminist tribalism to create 'office of women&girls' in white house...those in the know whom tried to get through govt office like attorney_general and prevented by...yes aggressive women-groups and their dogs...many times, with office on some top-floor with elevator access restricted etc(while trying to get my child some care_relationship with her father)...

and on...and on...all pointing to organized women-group influence now acting at world-wide level, at all levels of home/society/government/parliament/judiciary...to shift privilege to 'their' side and reciprocally reducing men&children...so the big lie is 'feminism is dead'...when events say its never been stronger/powerful/influential...

I think we as a society have a duty to ourselves and at society level to recognize the existence/workings of this power through all layers society...and expose its aims/acts/methods everywhere...then we have some chance of maintaining a sustainable balance in society albeit with some permanent care/precautions/monitoring...for currently we are behaving like its organized-methodological-aggression does not exist anywhere to societies distress...

sam
Ps~guys anyone ever overheard women-group planning/organizing to achieve some of their notable unbalancved victories?...me neither...man they must be working like spies...