Grow up. Oh, then again, that would be against your high principles as a non- or anti-"growthist"! OK, on the seemingly learned growth in "isms" maybe we need to apply the counter-label "degeneratist"?

I made no mis-attribution of such claims to your argument at all; I merely pointed out the consequences of such claims, and their smooth compatibility with the imperial enslavement and murder which spawned nasty little critters like Malthus and Adam Smith.

Which is timely for another reminder to OLO's historical vacuum: Malthus and Adam Smith were sponsored by the imperialist British East India Company via the Haileybury School. Such clowns produced pseudo-science at best, and always a dogmatic faith to determine how they used their abacus-as-model-of-people/economy.

It doesn't really bother me, because I know that most of the world ignores such British Empire garbage, except where now recognizing it as a potential threat via neo-imperialist foreign policies. But the sick part nags in that, while so many believe it in Australia, Malthusian dogma probably does irreparable damage to this country, where I live, work and hope for a future for my children. Instead, I get self-righteous, filthy looks and comments from smug Malthusian "greens" precisely BECAUSE I have children!

Hello mil-observer

I’ve just popped in to see what’s happening on this thread and a quick perusal indicates that you believe growth is good. Are you recommending that we expand our population in Australia?

It’s been reported that David Jones, the head of climate analysis at the Bureau of Meteorology, said the drought affecting south-west Western Australia, south-east South Australia, Victoria and northern Tasmania “is now very severe and without historical precedent”.

Dr Jones said Victoria had “the driest multi-year period on record, but also by far the hottest….” He said temperatures were running at about one degree “above any previous comparable drought. That is substantially hotter, and that one degree is a global warming signal.”

However, I note that you have alluded to an “ice age” but I fail to see how you’ve reached that conclusion. It appears that you are dismissing the theories of the most eminent scientists. Rather you appear impressed by the assumptions of the poor old hacks, Kininmonth and Le Blanc-Smith, both long retired, both members of Dad’s Army.

While Kininmonth’s former colleagues at the BoM seem to agree with him about the climate’s natural variability, they disagree that recent warming is natural. Of course poor old Kininmonth, from memory hasn’t worked for about 10 years. Why are you placing so much faith in his unsubstantiated opinions when he has not published any research in a peer-reviewed journal on climate change? The only study published by any Kininmonth was in 1972, on the subject of rain grown rice.

And since droughts and warming have the grass-hopper effect ie. no rain, more water restrictions, more power restrictions, no crops, dead animals, dead humans, desertification etc, why would any one recommend that Australians breed like rabbits?

Speaking of rabbits, is it better to have 21 million rabbits or 40 million in Australia, the driest place on earth, well except Antarctica of course!?

Dear most eminent dickie (an abbreviation?):

"Grass-hopper effect", "21 million rabbits or 40 million in Australia", and "Australians breed like rabbits"?

No, I was referring to humans, who (mostly) have vast intelligence, initiative, creative potential and innate means for adaptability and efficiency, already well proven over many thousands of years. If such were not true, human occupation of this harsh continent could not have occurred at all since 40,000 years ago.

Here are some further dissident quotes, still with that classy aura of the hallowed halls of "peer-reviewed" seers (keep that buzzword going):

Dr Phil Chapman, geophysicist, astronautical engineer and first Australian to become a NASA astronaut:

"All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead. It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake".

David Packham, ex-CSIRO principal research scientist, senior research fellow in a Monash University climate group, and an Australian BoM officer:

"The global warming monopoly is seriously bad for science".

Dr Art Raiche, ex-CSIRO Chief Research Scientist:

"It is my strong belief that the CSIRO has passed its use-by date. The organisation that bears the name of CSIRO has very little in common with the organisation I joined in 1971, one that produced so much of value for Australia during its first seven decades. ...consider the Garnault report, possibly the longest economic suicide note in Australia's history. It is based on the dire predictions of CSIRO's modelling programs".

So here you go dickie, I'll try to make this easier for you, all six Australian scientists on a plate, for you and/or AGW and Malthusian chums to try discrediting and dismissing in one fell swoop:

- Dr Phil Chapman, geophysicist, astronautical engineer and first Australian to become a NASA astronaut;
- David Packham, ex-CSIRO principal research scientist, senior research fellow in a Monash University climate group, and an Australian BoM officer;
- Dr Art Raiche, ex-CSIRO Chief Research Scientist;
- Guy Le Blanc-Smith, retired CSIRO Principal Research Scientist;
- William Kininmonth, head of the Australian BoM National Climate Centre 1986-1998 and Australian delegate to the World Meteorological Organization's Commission for Climatology 1982-1998;
- Bob Carter, paleoclimate scientist James Cook University and ex-chairman of the ARC's Earth Science Panel.

Let's see: all "dad's army" perhaps (which presumably means senile, or even mentally ill or somehow just incompetent)?

But that would not be "peer review" at all. That'd be a classic totalitarian's ad-hominem response to dissent, just as we should expect from such circles that produced the World Bank men Stern and Garnault, or hedge-funder and ex-FBI sleazer Al Gore, and all their many colleagues who created the insane dysfunctionality and grand fraud of a monetarist system that is in an ongoing process of breakdown and collapse.

Dear Mil-observer

Thank you so much for your response and I advise that it appears innovative man to whom you refer is no match for Mother Nature. Only today the media have reported 76 human incinerations from Victoria’s bushfire.

Is Mother Nature objecting to man's plundering of her forests, the dispossession of her native animals, the heating of her planet and the trashing of her ecoysystems?

Speaking of bushfires, I refer you to the gentleman you tell us is qualified to speak on climate change - David Packham, OAM, MAppSci, who worked for 40 years in bushfire research with CSIRO, Monash University and the Australian Emergency Management Institute. No climate science here except predictions on "bushfire" weather.

http://www.abc.net.au/blackfriday/aftermath/dpackham.htm

Any my don’t these has-beens get “narky” after retiring from CSIRO, biting the hand which once fed him?

http://www.aph.gov.au/House/committee/isi/research/subs/sub5.pdf

Another “climate expert” to whom you refer is Art Raiche, former CSIRO, Division of Exploration & Mining Australia. His name is often associated with our mining barons, Mil-observer - BHP Billiton, Cominco Exlploration, Rio Tinto, Western Metals etc, and having had a decade in the industry myself, I assure you that they know very little about climate change. Those in the industry often refer to these gentlemen as “rock apes" but how very rude!

http://www.csiro.au/science/pps5w.html

Perhaps these gentlemen should declare an interest when they pose as climate experts. What say ye?

Phil Chapman, an "ice age" alarmist too has been flying around the mesosphere or thermosphere in space ships. Be a good fella and provide his career profile for me, would you?:

"The Precautionary Principle demands that we all do our duty by guzzling as much gasoline and emitting as much CO2 and CH4 as possible. Flatulence is now a patriotic duty." (Chapman)

http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2008/03/arctic-heat-dump-phil-chapman-pournelle.html

Perhaps you will be kind enough to direct me to the published research articles these gentlemen have written on climate science?

Cheerio

"Let's see: all "dad's army" perhaps (which presumably means senile, or even mentally ill or somehow just incompetent)?"

My dear Mil-observer. I make no such inference.

It appears that you are not part of the purple circle for you would know of the affectionate names given to the members the IPA or the Lavoisier Group.

"Dad's Army," "The Goons," and some cheeky wags describe their meetings as "Hancock's Half Hour!" I guess it's because after half an hour, these poor old codgers become a little incoherent from the sherry and have to toodle off home on their gophers?

Mind you, Jennifer Marohasy's very kind to the poor dears.