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Climate change is more than an abstract idea : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 21/1/2009

Those who doubt the need to attack climate change with any urgency would do well to speak to the developing world's poor.

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Why is it that all the gullible/dumb, easily lead, but qualified twits, in this country, congregate in universities, schools, & government departments, in this country?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 3:50:40 PM
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I don't even bother to read articles that are pushing the warmerists agenda anymore.

If, and when they come up with some hard evidence that human activity causes global warming, I am absolutely sure we will all hear about it.

Until then we should occupy ourselves with more pressing matters, like over population.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 3:55:59 PM
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examinator: "at best a caricature of the truth". That's way too polite. Why not just state clearly that Gore's claim (like Tanveer Ahmed's) on CO2 is either a terrible, catastrophically comprising and undermining error, if not even a lie too?

On another "big lie": I notice that the Vic Govt has returned its very expensive "black balloon"/AGW propaganda to our TV screens. In fact, it seems they're running this scare-'em rubbish even more intensively than before. The only reason I can conjure for such further lavish waste are the recent price hikes to (privatized) electricity and water where the speculating scum claim that such further extortion "is in the interests of the environment"! It's actually just part of the financial system's disintegration as they try to keep filling some huge holes of their own toxic debt.

All this is not a caricature but a lie, as is the claim that CO2 is "a pollutant". If the metaphor of such black balloons accurately represented CO2 in our atmosphere then there'd be no view of the sky at all; even by the scaremongers' and fraudsters' accounts the anthropegenic balloons are still a miniscule portion of CO2 generated on this planet.

Yes, I agree with many of the climate scientists - whose background of studies go back to Koeppen (and including, most importantly, relevant references to astrophysics) - and the indications that we face another ice age.
Posted by mil-observer, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 7:44:16 PM
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Thank you Taveer. Following, a few statistics on population growths for your perusal (2007):

Births per 1000 population:

Niger 50.6
Uganda 48.12
Afghanistan 46.21
Sierra Leone 45.41
Burundi 45.28
Bangladesh 29.36
Australia 12.20

Billions of alien, cloven hooved livestock have destroyed Australia's top soil which blows away with the wind. Agricultural cropping, in European fashion, and livestock remains an urgent problem where native vegetation is not available to soak up the water thus preventing a rising water table which brings salinity.

The salt is not returning to our ocean, but if it did, it must first return to our rivers which will see our precious rivers and drinking water more saline than our oceans.

A Murray Darling Basin Salinity Audit, released in 1999 and ignored, found that the average salinity of the lower River Murray will exceed the levels for drinking water quality in the next 50-100 years.

Several other rivers within the Murray-Darling Basin will exceed this level in the next 20 years and two rivers have already exceeded it, causing environmental damage and having significant impacts on those who use these rivers for domestic water supplies and irrigation.

Yet the livestock industry remain in denial flagrantly seeking new customers in poor countries to further trash our environment.

Rivers in Australia are on life support. In WA, they are in a critical state. Oxygen is artificially pumped into those rivers constantly a result of agricultural runoff, carbon based pesticides and carbon based animal waste. Alarming depletions of our fish stock is threatening the fishing industry.

Witness peak hour traffic where every vehicle contains one person. The MV industry is the second largest emitter of CO and the largest emitter of benzene, a known carcinogen. Both oxidise to CO2. These carbon emissions exceed those of the petroleum, oil and gas extraction and the coal industry.

These are only 2 of our seriously polluting industries.

Our gluttonous ignorance and the propensity to blame others thus an excuse to delay action, will soon see this nation carrying a begging bowl, regardless of population growth and regardless of the ignorance of other nations.
Posted by dickie, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 8:14:36 PM
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What an amazingly undeducated commentary from several bloggers about the lack of evidence for global warming. We here the same ol' mantras (repeated with religious fervour) about 'its cooling' 'C02 lags temperature' 'its all natural cycles'. However, these arguments do not support any of the current MEASURED increases in CO2 concentrations and associated temperature increases. Humanity has the science to send rockets into space, fly men to the moon, send spacecrafts and robots to other planets and even explore beyond the solar system, but according to the ANTI_AGW brigade we can't even measure current CO2 and temperature and the basic science of the "greenhouse effect" and "carbon cycle" is somehow false. What absolute piffle!
Posted by sillyfilly, Thursday, 22 January 2009 9:47:33 AM
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"Why is it that all the gullible/dumb, easily lead, but qualified twits, in this country, congregate in universities, schools, & government departments, in this country?"

This has to be the silliest question I've read for a while.

It's because all the smart, easily led, qualified twits congregate on OLO, a haven for climate-change skeptics who know better than the IPCC, you silly.
Posted by bennie, Thursday, 22 January 2009 11:04:08 AM
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