What Michael doesnt tell us is that the purpose of the Wycliffe organisation is to bring the bible and the IDIOTIC plastic "christ" to everyone on the planet by translating the bible into every currently used language.

In effect such and activity ends up bringing the thus targeted ethic and tribal groups into the fold of Western "culture". And thus destroying the cultures of the targeted ethnic and tribal groups.

Applied western imperialism, all done supposedly with the very best of motives---ho,ho,ho.

Meanwhile please check out these related references which give an Illuminated Understanding of death and dying.And which point out that the understanding of the meaning and significance of death is the key to right life altogether.

1. http://www.easydeathbook.com/purpose.asp

2. http://www.aboutadidam.org/dying_death_and_beyond/index.html

3. http://www.dabase.org/dualsens.htm

Trav, since you have condescended to comment , I'll reply to you

The Big Bang theory doesn't imply ex nihilo creation at all, scientists, unlike the religious, do not create fantasies out of ignorance. Whether the question "what gave rise to the Big Bang" is meaningful is best left to cosmologists. There is also some evidence that the Universe might oscillate between periods of expansion and contraction. God must have been created from nothing or is He/She /It eternal, there's the trap.

The Universe is "fine-tuned",this is the most interesting argument that you use, believers used this reasoning in support of the idea of a creator god to explain life on earth. Darwin demonstrated that a special creator was not required, natural selection is the mechanism that leads to the origin of species. The jury is still out on fine tuning. Even if we accepted the existence of a creator, there is no evidence that it cares about humanity, the whole superstructure of Christian belief is built on a fantasy.

There is no independent support whatsoever for the resurrection of Jesus, his followers probably incorporated pagan beliefs of rebirth in a very effective PR campaign to the gentiles. There is in fact no historical Jesus at all.

Viljoen crap,wrong and not in context unbelievers?just how you came to that coclusion

did not explain anything

The problems with God are:
1) Existential question is pushed back. Instead of "how did multiverse come about" we have to answer "How did omnipotent being come about". Adding God actually makes the core question harder.
2) Logical issues: What does omnipotent actually mean? Here you get problems with "Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?" or "Immovable force meets iresistable object". God needs to be qualified to make any sense at all.
3) Any theory of God can be linked to any behaviour. Witch burning, pogroms throughout history. Holiness often is equated with blood thirstiness. Once you can justify your actions as Good, then all sorts of human vices become possible: Mass murder, victimisation, and recently pedophelia.
4) Thinking of God stops you thinking of Good. If people actually cared about the one Good then they would be doing Gods work. Instead they prey while they should be working or learning.
And Christianity...
1) All of the religious morals were borrowed from earlier Eastern atheistic philosophies. The Bible compilers kept the books that pandered to the prejudices of the age. (This is why Jesus tells us to treat the slaves well. Never occurred to Him that slavery is evil!)
Study the Taoist writings that pre-date Jesus to learn from the masters that he got his ideas from.
2) Folks can interpret the Bible to mean what they want: White supremicists, Anti-Gay, George Bush... There is no moral guidance in the Bible that cannot be interpreted.
3) Not choosing to "Believe" lets me interpret the world in terms of knowledge. New information can be accepted and processed without cognitive disruption or emotional pain.
4) Of the many folks I've dealt with over the years, the overt Christians, the ones really proud of it, were the most dishonest and aggressive people I've ever met.
And finally folks: learn the Tao and you never need "believe" again. Life is a process. You can learn to live with it.

*Of the many folks I've dealt with over the years, the overt Christians, the ones really proud of it, were the most dishonest and aggressive people I've ever met.*

Interesting observation! Years ago, when I was in my 20s and went
to a timber mill to pick up a load of timber, the owner pointed out
that the greediest people in the district were all religious,
for in case it just happened to be true, they were making sure that
they had bought their ticket to heaven.

I've now observed these people in the same district for a good
30 years and I have to say that he was spot on, with his observation.

Ozandy>>..problems[with God:we have-to answer"How did omnipotent being come about".>>time has been scince the last big-bang[pre big-bang god was;post big-bang god is]see the big-bang being the FIRST let there be light[BANG]

>>2]Logical?issues:What/omnipotent actually mean?<<omni as[L.omnis all.]A combining form[denoting all,every,everywhere;

>>..problems with"Can God create a'rock'that He cannot lift?">>god has but to say;'be'and it is[has but to say;'begone[and it is]

<<..God needs to be'qualified'to make any'sense'>>god is logus[logic] where'logic'is god is[god is'love'[where'love'is god is]god is'life'[where god is'life'is]god is'light'sustaining'life'

>>3) Any theory..God can be linked to'any'behaviour.<<an athiest miss-conception<<.Once you can justify your actions as Good,then all sorts of human vices become possible:>>if you'KNOW'god is'love'[then by their'deeds'they reveal if they are serving love[god]or hate[freewill]

>>4) Thinking of God stops you thinking of Good>>nonsense<<.If people actually cared about the one Good[then]they would be doing Gods work.>>GOD NEEDS NO MAN[it is man[life]that needs god]

<<they should be working or learning>>god dont need us[life is gods gift to us].

>>And Christianity..All of the religious morals were borrowed from earlier Eastern atheistic philosophies.<<god has sent many'messengers[each generation has its'messiah'[..to every'nation'has he sent his messengers]

>>The Bible pandered to the prejudices of the age.<<freewill<<(This is why Jesus tells us to treat the slaves well.Never occurred to Him that slavery is evil!)<<RECAll'THE LONG LOST SON'[what is freedom if your too ignorant to look after yourself?[better to serve a'kind'master?]

Study the Taoist>>the'tao'is literally called'the way'[god is all-ways<<2)..interpret'the Bible'to mean what'they'want:There is no moral guidance in the Bible that cannot be interpreted.<<proving god give us all freewill[by our fruits we are revealed]

>>3)Not choosing to "Believe"<<proves you have freewill>> lets me interpret the world in terms of knowledge<<as I
[you]CHOSE.

>>.New information can be accepted and processed without cognitive disruption or emotional pain.<<wrong everything has its price[cost]

4)..opinion

>>learn the Tao and you never need"believe"[?]again<<i read the tao[i dont follow its'way',nor its high priests'religion[interpritation/translation]THEIR way
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1238

>>.Life is a process..<< life is a gift[an oppertuinity to try to live without god,to see how we cant survive'without'him[how do YOU make your heart beat?]how YOU make a seed?]