The problem is that very often the decision to commit suicide is driven by depression which could be treated if other people cared enough or were informed enough about how to help. How many of you have never contemplated ending it at some time of stress?. Also too many of the publicised events of people suiciding because of disease are promoted by those who benefit either financially or publically by the death. Yes, in a perfect world suicide would be promoted as an option but given the reality of the world we live in it is not an option that can be accepted as normal. I have friends who are dying of a variety of painful and in some cases embarrassing diseases but they are facing up to that challenge as they have faced up to the challenges of life. Is it too difficult to accept in our chrome plated world that some people are sick and not in control of all their functions or faculties? Are they less human because of that? Do we want the old,frail and sick to be encouraged to suicide because they are an embarrassment to us who are perfect in body and mind?.

ORAMZI: "The problem is that very often the decision to commit suicide is driven by depression"

The article was about voluntary euthanasia - not suicide in the general population. Can you give any examples (with supporting links) of where voluntary euthanasia simply because the person was depressed?

Lets make it clear that the issue is not simply about the semantic difference between euthanasia and suicide. Euthanasia is seen as the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of a hopelessly sick or injured individual (as person or domestic animal) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy. Suicide is the act or an instance of taking ones own life voluntarily and intentially especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind. The arguments being presented are about not only helping people suicide but also about promoting suicide and various suicide methods as reasonable options if it all seems too much. And that is the difficulty I have Administration of suicide by government has not had a happy or useful history. The current practices in Australia seem sufficient for the foreseeable future.

ORAMZI: "the difficulty I have Administration of suicide by government has not had a happy or useful history"

I have not heard that before. Could you supply links showing why you think that is the case?

I hope you read my webpage and I hope you also search for other of my debates using the word which I made: girasas.

Due to this conception of mine that a sixth race is half girasas and half human, I am consumed with the contemplation of this issue from every perspective imaginable (obviously as I feel as if I am the only person alive offering any degree of thought at all on the subject and can not find one other writer anywhere who might offer some degree of intellectualizing about it).

One perspective that relates to this topic of suicide is that a girasas is using our body and not just a human. As far as I can discern from reading THE SECRET DOCTRINE, a girasas - (relating the 2nd and 6th races) is currently in its first race state and does not die or engage in birth. Instead the girasas "longs for" or "desires" mortality as this is part of the natural cycle in the 7 races for evolving kingdoms. As the girasas gains more and more control over the vehicles (by taking over from the human), we will be witness to many circumstances that we have not seen play out since the last round. Hopefully, the girasas will care for us and provide us with some degree of form for us to continue to act (in a more limited way). I am hoping that human activities and girasas activities will be endured and not that we ONLY accept human activities replaced by girasas activities.

Regardless of how the two kingdoms interact and choose to act independently of one another, the order of business for the girasas is to create a form where it can experience death (and birth). For the 2nd human race, we read how the human oozes out of the form or buds. In my imagination, I picture this act as resulting in certain death (at first) and then becoming more and more capable of living for a short time.

To get to the point, the girasas is intent upon death (or existing in a form) just as humans were intent upon creating the earth for their evolution and life. The most plausible recourse for a human being who is host to this kingdom living in them is for the human to work for ascension. The goal of humanity of ascension is broad enough to include captivating of the material for the purpose of continuing (after so called death) without actually having to endure death as we know it today. Ascension also covers making ourselves and our world better and providing for the descending kingdom: girasas. As we become better and better at working cooperatively with this kingdom, it should be at our will that we raise the vibration of our material bodies for life in ?an etheric realm? perhaps.

Prior to 1995, I strove adamantly to practice harmlessness. Since 1995, I have not been able to align myself with this commitment due to the extreme nature of my findings and the commitment effort required by me just to continue daily communicating this idea around the internet. Now, I feel as if I hurt many people by talking out about this idea. I am sorry if I hurt you by telling you this, but I want spiritual youth to know about my findings and not to be misled by most of us were into thinking that we could climb into the spiritual state without setback.

To live as half girasas and half human - or as a 6th race or 6th subrace lifeform - we must learn to value what freedom we can find. I especially appreciate the concept of finding freedom from wrongdoing and the opportunity to enlist the aid of this more highly evolved kingdom into providing us with knowledge, information, and improved lives. However, I don't see how any of us can ever forget that it is their love, their sacrifice, and their greater evolution that accomplishes all the good in the world, whereas the human performs error and destruction in comparison