Turnbull is no stateman. He flipflops on ideology and is merely an "opposition". A little bit of bipatisanship where it counts could give the Libs the credibility they need.
God knows we need a strong opposition.
I reckon the Carbon trading scheme will be a failure: Carbon tax with all proceeds equally allocated is the simplest way.
Hasbeen: Check your facts...from some authoritative sources not a local hack journalist. The ice is *retreating* the glaciers are *shrinking* (95% of them anyway).
Saying it aint so will not make it go away.

Col,
Our childrens' future was already sold out from under them by the privatisation of public assets, which typically leads to "private wealth/public squalor".

Also, since money in the modern financial system actually represents debt, the "wealth" we created literally out of thin air to service our own insatiable consumption and greed is a debt that will have to be repaid by future generations.

As for "socialism by stealth", it's interesting to see how unfettered capitalism is constantly being bailed out by the public (social) purse.

It just goes to show how dodgy the globalised world economy really is and how truly vulnerable our own economy had become.

I'm also prudent with my own financial situation but it didn't stop me from losing a huge slab of my own superannuation and investments.

I'm not happy about it either but I don't blame it on things that happened in only the last six months.

Hasbeen: "have a look at the growing Arctic ice mate, the ongoung cooling, & ice growth in the antarctic, & the cooling oceans in general."

Er ... I guess we should welcome you to the academic corridors of a science *hasbeen* - you have discovered that;

1. Arctic ice extent increases in Winter
2. When you put energy into a defined system, it heats up, water evaporates and must condense out somewhere as rain or snow
3. You don't understand anything about land/ocean/atmosphere coupled systems, let alone radiative heat transfer and heat content of water.

Well done ... next you will be telling us global warming only happens in summer!

Hey hasbeen, polish your display case ... the Nobel for physics or chemistry is on the way.

Hell, Q&A, I wouldn't want one of them Nobel things, I don't think I would like the company. They gave one of them to that conman Gore, didn't they?

As for the corridors of academia, I aint that impressed.

When I told my old engineering professer what I had done to build the most successful motor racing engine in Oz, to that date, he told me it would never work. Fortunately for me, I'd had an amateur teach me about internal combustion engines.

You should go well there, mate. Anyone who can suggest it is winter in the arctic, & antartic, at the same time is sure to get a guensery with the AGW research crowd any time.

Wobbles “Our childrens' future was already sold out from under them by the privatisation of public assets,”

Government running public assets in a competitive and commercial world is open to the worst abuses of monopoly power which produces a far greater risk to our childrens future than mere economics.

The socialist system encourages the centralization of power, away from the innovative individual and ends up ruthlessly “maintaining the status quo”, as history has recorded.

I want more than anything for my children and grand children to be free to make their own way in the world they will inherit from us. Regardless of the economics, that world is best assured by denying the edifices which socialism endeavours to build and then hands over to some far less savory characters.

“unfettered capitalism is constantly being bailed out by the public (social) purse.”

Ask almost any US republican or someone like myself, I would sooner see the large corporate dinosaurs left to face survival in the market than to have a cent of tax payers money diverted to haul their backsides from out the fire

I think you will find it was the dogmatic socialist ideals of homeownership for those incapable of behaving responsibly which was the instigator of the debts failure which then US banks suffered from through the collapse of the government lending agencies, Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae and not the “unfettered capitalism” which you like to divert blame to.

Hey hasbeen

Being talked down to and patronized by Q&A means you must be telling the truth.

Q&A has a vested interest in high taxes and high government control of resources, he works in “Academia” which means he is generally incapable of generating a commercial worth for whatever his penchant happens to be and relies on the taxes expropriated from the likes of you and me and other real people to fund his ivory tower existence.

Hasbeen
You could teach me a lot about internal combustion engines I'm sure.

Sorry, the following was posted elsewhere http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2395

You either have a very simple mind, or you are deliberately distorting what I’ve said.

If the former, let me make it simpler.

You said to David (VK3AUU) “have a look at the growing Arctic ice mate ...”

This is a typical response/excuse from the ‘deny-n-delay’ brigade that usually follow it up by saying that global warming is a myth or a world-wide conspiracy. It seems people like you fail to appreciate that Arctic ice extent grows in ‘extent’ every winter or that last year’s ice extent was the lowest in recorded history – with Russia, Canada, US, Greenland, Denmark and others jockeying for passage and exploration rights.

You also fail to understand that the growth in ‘ice extent’ every winter is ‘new ice’ – it is thinner and it has not replaced the thicker ‘old ice’ – you know, the bit that has melted, gone.

These links may help others, if not you:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/heavy-snow-job/

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/arctic-ice-update/

You also said to David; “have a look at the ... ice growth in the Antarctic”

You clearly did not understand my comment: “When you put energy into a defined system, it heats up, water evaporates and must condense out somewhere as rain or snow.”

Ice mass has been growing on the inner portion of Antarctica, it has been losing ice mass from the ice shelves.

Hasbeen, if you are deliberately distorting what I have said ... then, you are just a liar.

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Col, you keep talking down to me so I am telling the truth.

We have to stop meeting like this - people might think you are my sock-puppet or that we share a motel room.