Paul wrote, "It is simply beyond many of these people's comprehension that Bush could have done ANYTHING right."

Actually, I thought he was right to invade Afghanistan at the time and continued to think so, until fairly recently. Of course the reason I thought he was right to do so was that I fully accepted the Big Lie of 9/11.

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Col Rouge wrote, "Now I feel had Bush told the American people, who did elect him, anything less, he would have been negligent in his responsibilities as Commander in Chief or the US Armed Forces."

Col, how well do you think way President W discharged his responsibilities as Commander in Chief at the time America was under attack by extremist Islamists (or so we are told) on 11 September 2001 (see http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9UA1xcwRLM)?

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Barrie Zwicker told of this in his documentary "The Great Conspiracy":

At a Town Hall session in Orlando, Florida on December
the 4th, 2001, here’s the President’s own account of the early
morning of 9/11.

Jordan (a third grader): "How did you feel when you
heard about a terrorist attack?"

George Bush: "Well, thank you, Jordan (applause).
Well, Jordan you’re not going to believe where, what state
I was in, when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in
Florida. And my Chief of Staff Andy Card, well actually
I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that
works, ... and I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to
go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – you know, the TV
was obviously on..."

BZ: The President tells us he sees, on an ordinary TV
set outside a school classroom, the first plane hit the World
Trade Center. He gives the oddly reinforcing detail that "the
TV was obviously on." He continues:

George Bush: "I used to fly myself and I said, well,
there’s one terrible pilot and I said it must have been a
horrible accident, but I was whisked off there and didn't
have much time to think about it."

(tobecontinued)

(continuedfromabove)

Barrie Zwicker : "Didn't have time to think about it?" As if his being told,
"Time to meet the kids, Mr. President" stops all his
thought processes concerning the remarkable image of what
he told us he's just seen on an ordinary TV, on top of all his
knowledge of the unprecedented situation from earlier in the
morning. But anyway, could George Bush have seen, on
ordinary TV, the first plane hit the World Trade Center? No,
he could not have.

The footage of that first strike (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UpONEX8tme8)
only shows up on television
the next day, September the 12th, 2001. It was taken by a
French documentary crew that happened to be in downtown New
York.

Bystander: "Holy 5hit!" (Explosion)

Barrie Zwicker: The Orlando Town Hall session takes place seven
weeks after 9/11, so it can be suggested Bush confuses
the second plane with the first. But, how to explain this?
We'veall seen Andy Card do that. None of this can ever be
retracted. It is an interlocking historical record.

Why go on at length about this? Because it may one day
become the basis for criminal court proceedings.
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623 http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/tgc.html http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/pdfs/TGC_transcript_GOIssue9.pdf)

Keith, your assertion
"He is the only President since Roosvelt/Truman to put the US in a position to win a hot war ... Fact"
Would you state what, in your opinion, is the position when the hot war has been won. What conditions will exist when it can be considered a victory?
Thanks, mark conley

Mark my opinion is multi faceted and winning is not necessarily absolute at any one stage. I'll give my view with reference to specifics in Iraq.

The shooting by the military of both sides has to have ceased and one side is incapaciated by the withdrawal, surrender, capture or deaths of it's military and political leadership.

In Iraq that is the case.

But that is not the only condition. Another would be when effective local government replaces military occupation ... which is not quite yet the case in Iraq ... but that condition is very definately no longer a remote possibility and has been achieved by the actions of George.

All civil, criminal, terrorist or anarchical activities need be policed by local forces, laws and judiciary. That's on the horizon.

In Iraq another specific condition should be the conditions of the previous regime could not possibly reappear. ie a change of political system not just a regime change. That seems likely.

Another would be the renewed state would establish it's own relations with neighbours and other states. That is occurring currently.

Such were the conditions in Japan, Germany, Italy and Vietnam but not so in Korea.

My original statement that history will judge George as leading the US into a winning position in the hot war in Iraq is more likely than not. What we'll discover over the next couple of years is whether Obama's policies lead to continued improvement in these conditions or a slide back into defeat.

Cheers

More likely George will be remembered as the not too smart US prez,
who was the plaything of the neocons. The man battles to pronounce
"nuclear"!

Tell me something Keith. How much do you think that Osama bin Laden
has cost the US economy?

What amuses me is that the OLO defenders of George, are seemingly
far more right wing then anything I've heard on Bloomberg.

Now Bloomberg is not exactly left wing. Top analysts and commentators
largely agree, that what happened under George's watch is a total
disaster and they pity Obama's team for having to sort out the mess.

There is large agreement that Obama has assembled a top economic
team to deal with it, but the disaster is so large that the effects
will take many years to sort out and nobody really knows the best
way to tackle it.

Fact is that George had little interest in foreign politics, but
911 shook him up a bit. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc, were in
key positions to roll him into accepting the neocon doctrine,
the rest is history.

Osama must be rolling around in his cave laughing, as he watches
the unfolding disaster that is the present US economy and now
global economy.

Iran would be smiling too, as Iraq turns Shia, at no expense to
them, all bankrolled by the US taxpayer.

Hehe, what a great prez is George!

The man is a dummie, admit it.

Happy New Year Joe in the US,

Joe I would move on but to be fair, shouldn't you perhaps address your comments to the antagonists as well?

I've never seen silencing views that dissent from the majority as doing anybody a favour. I think George, Quincy, Thomas, JS and a plethora of other great US Liberal Democrats might agree.

Cheers