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One gene, one protein, one function - not so : Comments

By Greg Revell, published 12/12/2008

With the abrupt and uninvited introduction of genetically modified (GM) food into our supermarkets and restaurants, many of us are looking more closely at the food we eat.

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Here are just a few stories that show Bt cotton is a mjor success (just like it is in China) not the devil Ms Shiva (recipient of the Bull S--t award) claims.
http://www.agbios.com/static/news/NEWSID_10221.php
"India has made tremendous growth in GM cotton. Farmers have earned total 1,294 million dollars additional income since the launch of the GM cotton in 2002," he said.

GM cotton was developed and commercially launched in India by Mahyco-Monsanto and it is currently grown in over 75 per cent of the total cotton area.
http://www.agbios.com/static/news/NEWSID_10203.php
Back in 2002, Gagrana village’s Mewa Singh was on the verge of commiting suicide. A Rs 7.5 lakh debt and declining yield left him with no other option. ‘‘It became impossible to survive,’’ he says. But that was then. Today Mewa Singh is a happy man. He cultivates Bt cotton on his five-acre plot and as a result of higher yields and earnings he has paid back his debt and has purchased a new tractor, motorcycle, and has sent his son to study in Punjab University.
http://www.agbios.com/static/news/NEWSID_10192.php
After the significant increase in yield following introduction of Bollgard—1, a single gene technology introduced in 2002, Lengeleya has not only built a house but also purchased two bullocks to support him in farming. Due to introduction of Bollgard— I cotton seed owned by US-based bio technology company Monsanto in 2002, yield has estimated to have increased from 6 quintals per acre during the pre-BT days to around 14-15 quintals per acre at present. Farmers in Sivagi Nagar village told FE that after the introduction of Bollagard—II, a double gene technology seed last year, the yield increased further.
Posted by Rob from Canada, Thursday, 1 January 2009 4:18:40 AM
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[Indian_Farmers_Commit_Suicide[Over]Failed Crops]©Deborah Mitchell-Nov7,2008

125,000;farmers have died[*]in India because their genetically modified(GM)cotton-crops have failed,leaving them[and]their families destitute and in debt,having signed their life/land away to buy fertiliser/seed/roundup upfront,then the crop fails.

Millions of Indian-farmers were promised that they would have incredible harvests/income[and crops that were free of insects and parasites]if they switched from farming with'traditional'cotton seed and planted genetically-modified(GM)cotton-seed instead....To help promote the use of GM cotton,many government seed banks banned the sale of traditional seed.

..but the dream did not come true.Countless numbers of farmers had to borrow money from local money-lenders to buy the seeds,so they were depending on good harvests to pay back the loans...as well as support their families....Yet the cost of GM seed is staggering:modified seeds cost one thousand times more[than traditional cotton seeds.]

Many of the farmers have lost their crops,not just once but twice.

With the crop failures come lost livelihoods,loss of land,and disgrace.In some cases,a husband commits suicide and leaves the wife and children to tend to the mortgauged land.When the next crop fails, the wife commits suicide as well.

*an estimated 125,000[Indian farmers]have taken their lives. According to Mail Online(November 3, 2008),the Indian Ministry of Agriculture confirms that more than 1,000[farmers]commit suicide each month.Their method is ironic:most swallow insecticide,which they were told they would no longer need if they grew GM crops.

Pro-GM experts,including those from the giant chemical company Monsanto,which sells much of the seed to Indian farmers,claim that the suicides are the result of alcoholism,poverty,drought,and other agricultural difficulties and not related to GM seed.

They say that suicide has always been a part of rural Indian life.lol

GM seeds require twice the amount of water of traditional seeds.Poor rainfall has contributed greatly to crop failures.

genetically modified crops do not produce viable seeds..farmers are forced to buy new seed each year[because]they cannot save seeds and replant them the following year,..

Yet another situation associated with GM cotton is the death of thousands of goats and sheep that are grazing on post-harvest GM cotton plants...Some agricultural workers are also experiencing allergic reactions when they are exposed to GM cotton.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 January 2009 5:44:53 AM
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http://www.aaanet.org/press/an/0205StoneIndia.htm
Who: cotton farmers, particularly small and marginal ones. What: suicide, mostly by drinking pesticides. Where: the epicenter was Warangal District of Andhra Pradesh, although agrarian suicides were (and still are) occurring elsewhere. When: the worst was in 1998, when over 500 took their own lives in Warangal, but the suicides have continued, topping 1,000 in Warangal alone. But why? This is the subject of sharp disagreement, largely because of GM issues.
Therefore 1998 was four years before Bt cotton was permitted in India.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/14-people-commit-suicide-every-hour-in-India/393702/
Family problems and illness were other causes for suicide, accounting for 23.8 per cent and 22.3 per cent respectively. Failure in relationships (2.8 per cent), bankruptcy (2.7) and dowry dispute (2.6) were other major factors.
That means Bt crop failure is not a major cause (less than 2.7 percent)
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/asur/1999/00000005/00000002/00185797;jsessionid=1n18dse5e8qbq.alexandra
Suicide has been a problem in India for decades before Bt crops were commercialized.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/More_people_committing_suicide_in_south_India_Report/articleshow/3842412.cms
The NCRB report confirms the explanation. Mental illness was found to be one of the major causes behind people committing suicide in South Indian states. Around 1,982 of those who committed suicide in TN, 637 in Karnataka and 1,384 in Kerala were suffering from mental illnesses.

As I said before some people simply do not want to learn what is real in the GM debate.
Posted by Rob from Canada, Thursday, 1 January 2009 8:03:59 AM
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Canadian Organic farmers are taking action in the courts as they have lost the ability to grow organic canola in Canada due to contamination by GM canola.Their Lawyer said this"This case seeks to ask whether biotechnology companies incur responsibility when their patented genetically modified seed, pollen and plants infiltrate farmland, causing harm. While Monsanto Canada Inc. v. Schmeiser confirmed that these companies have significant exclusive rights to GMO seed and plants -- the question remains whether they have any corresponding duties.
The case involves legal questions of significant importance to the public, namely liability and rights associated with the development, marketing, sale and dispersal of GMOs, as well as public access to justice through class certification. The prevalence of open-pollinating GM crops on the landscape is a matter of significant environmental and public interest. These issues transcend provincial or territorial boundaries, as organic farmers in Saskatchewan can no longer grow and sell certified organic canola as a crop.”
By the way Organic corn can only be grown in Canada by planting very late to ensure that tasselling occurs later than neighbouring (GM) crops. I guess this is onerous for the organic farmer who is squeezed out of the optimum planting time and risks crop failure due to frost arrival. Organic farmers will seek redress for losses due to the virtual elimination of organic canola in Canada as a crop due to widespread contamination of seed stock, as well as for losses due to unwanted GMO canola plants contaminating organic fields growing other crops. “

Terry Redman , Western Australias agriculture minister,says he will only allow trials of GM canola into W.A. if he has confidence in assurances that Western Australia will still be able to supply non GM canola to those customers who require it. Seeing as he has announced the release of GM canola in that state 2 days before Christmas (under cover of Christmas as Bob Phelps points out) he must have received his assurances from the likes of Rob from Canada and Agronomist.
Far Out Brussell Sprout.
Posted by Merri bee, Thursday, 1 January 2009 3:46:09 PM
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Oh I do hope the Indian government ban GM seeds Bronwyn. Saw a great movie about Peter Proctor going to live in India where he is teaching farmers how to grow bio Dynamic and organic crops. The results are beautiful and there are no purchased fertiliser or pesticides or herbicides involved. The Indians are turning to organic agriculture in droves and their health, the community and the environment are benefiting. Then you saw places where the BT cotton was rife and newspaper articles saying "Farmers sell kidneys to pay for next years seed" How reprehensible that Indian farmers are lied to by Monsanto salesmen saying that the yields will be greater when the opposite is true.
Sorry Agro, I am looking at a photo of the stomach linings of rats fed either GM potato or normal potato in the Puzstai experiments. The stomach lining of the GM fed rats shows proliferative cell growth, the others are normal on a potatoe diet.Get that :normal ON a POTATO DIET .As Michael Antoniou, molecular genetisit says , to this day, this study is the best designed and carefully controlled study of its type. Compared to industry studies it is leagues apart.

As for Mutagenisis, Rob sent the link which will reveal how many crops I am growing on my organic farm which have been bred in this way.A list of 2,275 varieties of 175 species! I read them all and discovered I grow none. In fact there are alot of flowers and non food crops listed, and I believe there was only one food crop commercially grown on the list ...a sunflower which has been grown in the U.S.!
Once again I've waded through your smokescreens of useless information. GM and mutagenisis are not comparable methods of plant breeding
Posted by Merri bee, Thursday, 1 January 2009 4:21:26 PM
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rob[from your first-lin

[a different quote for perspective]>>Glenn Davis Stone conducts research on political ecology and agricultural change>>

<<I do not oppose GM crops in general;in fact,I recently took a leave to participate in the genetic modification of cassava>>

<<For Monsanto and Shiva,Warangal is a means of promoting polarized views on GM crops>>

>>I cannot see how Warangal can offer any lessons on biotechnology until the case is understood on its own merits.>>

so is'warangal'the WHOLE of india[or you picking the best cherry?
the article writen 2002[why you quoting 1998 figures}

your next link?>>Back in 2002,Gagrana village’s Mewa Singh was on the verge of commiting suicide<<...ONLY THEN did monsanto introduce bollard cotton[paid for no doudt quote my previous point[you didnt reply to..LOL>>the cost of GM seed is staggering:modified seeds cost one thousand times more[than'traditional'cotton-seeds.]>>

next link<<The full text electronic article is available for purchase$42>>BUT look at what we get<<The epidemiology of suicide in India from 1975–1994 was explored>>...LOL mate

next/PROOF?>>highest number of suicides committed in 2007>>oh you neatly skipped over the dates[your quoting both sides of pre 2002 WHY?

[it makes your case?]

noting the figures are for'only'four_states in india<<Even though Maharashtra recorded the highest number of suicides committed in 2007; 15,184 of the top six states with the highest suicide rates are from South India.

While Andhra Pradesh recorded 14,882 suicide deaths,Tamil Nadu registered 13,811 deaths followed by Karnataka(12,304)and Kerala (8,962).<<

its a typical deception[you never replied ALL the points in my previous post

<<The death of thousands of goats and sheep that are grazing on post-harvest GM cotton plants>>

<<agricultural workers are also experiencing allergic reactions when they are exposed to GM cotton.>>

>>they cannot save seeds and replant them<<
>>To help promote the use of GM cotton,many government seed banks banned the sale of traditional seed.<<
>>Many of the farmers have lost their crops,not just once but twice.
With the crop failures come lost livelihoods,loss of land,and disgrace<<

>>the Indian Ministry of Agriculture confirms that more than 1,000[farmers]commit suicide each month.<<

>>in debt,having signed their life/land away to buy fertiliser/seed/roundup upfront,then the crop fails.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 January 2009 9:08:59 PM
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