agromist said>>Instead what the blog author has done is cherry pick the data and fail to recognise that the studies on Daphnia used the equivalence of 50 g of ground up corn kernals/ L water, before they found any effect. You will not find such conditions in nature. Lower concentrations had no effect. The caddisfly study was similar and had to use more than 3 times the highest concentration they observed in streams to produce an effect>>

great this explains why they dont use water in Corn Flour Pancakes

2 cups corn flour 2 large eggs, well beaten
1/2 tsp ground cinnamon 2 cups buttermilk
1/2 tsp salt olive oil
2 tsp baking soda



Mix the dry ingredients together real well in a large mixing bowl. Beat the eggs, then add the buttermilk to them. Mix well and add to the dry mixture.

Coat the bottom of a large frying pan with olive oil and heat up over a medium fire. Add the batter by the spoonful to the skillet and cook on both sides until golden brown. Serve with cane syrup or maple syrup.

better hope the corn flour dont get washed into any local flood eh
your using the same reasoning that puts mercury in our teeth[and vacines

Merri Bee said:
"It is astonishing that some people have the arrogance to play around with the very foundation of all life... DNA, the carrier of genetic code, and have released their experiments into the environment to proliferate."

It would appear you are unaware of how new varieties of crops are made. Each and every one has its DNA altered to make the new variety. The method of DNA change differs with some being completely random while others have designed specific changes to the DNA. Modern agricultural breeding (twentieth century) used chemical and radiation mutagenesis to alter the DNA. We have never known what changes or how many changes occurred with these types of breeding (including organic crops). Yet you seem to be content to use the end product. Genetic engineering uses specific changes, well documented and analysed to get the desire trait. We know thousands of times more about each and every change to the DNA of every GE crop compared to the standard bred crops(including organic).

Merri Bee said:

"The product we use is Dipel, and it is a powder that is sprinkled on cabbage family leaves. Only in the gut of the pest caterpillar( the white cabbage butterfly)who ingests the bacteria will it create a toxin, which forms crystals and spores inside the caterpillar and cause its death."

I am sorry but you do not seem to understand the bacteria produce the toxin all the time and it crystalizes inside the bacteria. The high pH of the catapillar gut (ours is much lower pH) causes the crystals to dissociate into individual proteins. The individual proteins form the pores after they bind species specific membrane proteins (not found in our gut) on the gut surface of the target species. These cry proteins are digested like every other protein when we consume them.

Meeri Bee said:
"Of course the constant exposure of insect pests to the BT leads to resistance to it."

After twelve years of Bt crops the level of resistance development is tiny. Resistance development is a universal phenomenon. Clearly the use of refuge areas has greatly reduced the development of resistance in GE fields. further the new Bt crops have two different cry proteins with different targets therefore greatly reduce the likelihood of resistance development.

And finally the Royal Society made it very clear when they stated - No conclusions can be drawn from this research regarding the Putzai research with rats and GM potatoes.

Perhaps you might like to go to my website to learn the difference between the science of genetic engineering crops and the pseudo-science so popular on the web. http://web.viu.ca/wager

cheers

Rob

agro/rob you are what you eat[i suggest you guys stop eating the stuff]its making you gullable[or the guilt of what you are supporting is driving you guys insane [or blinded by delusion]

how else can you excuse that you guys are standing up for
[or selling out to] put it in your diet[not ours]then let the process of natural selection see who survives

thing is WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED to chose to eat them OR NOT
i chose not[but you mindless trolls dont want the facts to be put on lables so we can[just like the buisness practices of mon satan OH, most clearly reveal the same contempt for rights[by their buisness practices]

Beware of the toxicity of soy productsBreasts can appear and testicles do not develop. Several women have rung ... By far the worst cases of soy damage are reported to us by women who have drunk ...
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

Monsanto's Genetically Engineered Soybeans Damage Health of Test ...9 May 2007 ... GM-soy also is found to impact the size of litters, and the mortality ... kidneys, testicles) and in histological and cellular construction. ...
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5119.cfm
www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5119.cfm -

Soy is an Endocrine Disrupter and Can Damage Your Child's HealthSoy is an Endocrine Disrupter and Can Damage Your Child's Health ... In men hypospadias, cryptorchidism (undescended testicles), cancer of the prostate, ...
http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/200202/soyisendocrinedisruptor.htm

GM diets may cause organ damage and disease | Perspectives...When male rats were fed Roundup Ready soy, their testicles became dark blue instead of pink. ... 1 Response to GM diets may cause organ damage and disease ...

http://blogs.drgreene.com/perspectives/2008/08/13/gm-diets-may-cause-organ-damage-and-disease/

PCC | GM Food Crops: Consumer Health Concerns: Liver and other ...Lab animals fed GM food have showed damage to virtually every system studied. ... pancreas, and testicles; altered gene expression and cell metabolism; ...
www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/issues/gmconcerns/organdamage.html - 22k
http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/issues/gmconcerns/organdamage.html

Under one god, that truly has to be one of the most astonishing posts I have seen on OLO. I might be more willing to engage with your posts if you created a coherent argument and sourced your information from proper scientific studies rather from conspiracy websites on the internet.

The fact that you are unable to get facts correct, and don’t seem to care, leads me to instantly dismiss your ravings. Some examples are: that there is no mercury in vaccines in Australia. Australia labels food products containing GM ingredients. You have both wrong in this thread, despite the fact they have been pointed out and the sources given many times on this forum. And yet, you accuse me of being a mindless troll because I seek the truth about these things rather than operating in a parallel universe where up is down and black is white. Trust me, while the true believers may accept your views, other people will come to the conclusion that you can’t be trusted.

Don’t bother replying, because I won’t respond. I find your posts tedious to read, full of misinformation plucked liberally from websites, ignorant and abusive to those you disagree with. For the future, you should look up the definition of troll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll I suggest this more accurately describes your behaviour rather than mine.

Have a nice day.

agro-mist ,
it is interesting re-READING THE POSTS

HOW MUCH YOU AVOID REPLYING TO those points named by those having researched the topic,ANY WONDER PEOPLE HAVE AVOIDED repeating the questions,[you dont even bother to reply them]

i have nothing but contempt for you[and the master you serve]

it is well that we both are not responding ,the big difference between you and me is i read seeking to help others you read to help yourself

you respond to the weakest point[when you reply at all]

and mostly you avoid the many valid points made by the other more 'informed' poster's[who i admire for their dedication is researching both sides of the topic[unpaid]

your as worthy as the buisness practices of the industry you chose to serve
[and gmo is as low as you can go]

i have one final thing to say

REPLY TO EVERY POINT your opponants made

[you know those questions YOU BEEN AVOIDING TO RESPOND TO

[there is a post limit ,and of course you will say ;' my limit prevents me from doing so'

[but bro you been wasting posts responding to me]
#
[but as the topic is now complete]you finally can respond to every point posted [or reveal you been doing just as i accuse you of doing[chery picking]

to avoid responding
[and responding yet again to my post proves you cant reply theirs

its all in the record above

now respond to ALL their questions/points!

or be revealed
as the reviled cherry picker of the vile gmo fruits your defending