Antispetic,

my guess is that most, if not all hypocrits will rationalize this is as it being OK for girls to hit boys, because:

1) boys must have done something to deserve it
2) girls dont do as much damage as boys can
3) after years of oppression it is OK for girls to commit violence

<Gloria Steinem once made this breath-taking statement, "The patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence in order to maintain itself." And feminist icon Andrea Dworkin spewed this shocking tirade: "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." >

It would appear that SJF is a 'Steimen feminist.'

http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.406

I constantly find it fascinating that definitions of domestic violence include things like, financial, emotional abuse, yet when the Dv advocates argue they fall back to the position of physical violence, where regardless of who may have initiated the violence, women generally come off second best.

With around 20 Dv murders a year, that makes getting murder in a DV situation a one in a million chance(considering Australias population is around 20mill).

Don't forget this has also become an institutional in many people like Clive Hamilton, making it a menace that is hard to deal with, seeing as the propaganda is given a direct stream to most media sources and political groups, unchallenged.

You will find it in everything from education programs in universities, to pornography crusaders like Hamilton, who are envious of the freedoms and self-expression of the younger generations and seek to control them using emotive topics such as female victimisation that saturate the media.

Antiseptic - I suggest you learn how to use Google before making your pronouncements. You might recall my response to a claim on another thread about a lack of services for men, where I responded with at least a dozen links (many more than a dozen I think it was) to services concerned specifically with men's needs.

As a memory jogger re: male suicide has been a primary focus of mental health services for many years now. Not only are the full range of services available to all citizens, but most area health services also employ people to respond to additional subsections of the community: such as rural males (" Drought Counsellor", for example. Other services provide financial counselling and so on.) One site that you could check for that is Beyond Blue. I think that if you check the research and with various services, you'll find that as many men as women use MH and Drug and Alcohol services. In some services you'll find a higher percentage of male clientele.

If you have some figures to back up your claim that men only receive assistance when a woman is involved, I'd like to see them.

Also you keep citing a statistic - can you please put the exact wording in quotation marks and provide a link so that I can see exactly what you mean.

Lastly, I see that you were not up to the challenge in intellect and empathy that was set for you. Well one can't do much for you then. You'll just have to soldier on as you are.

To all the fellows gnashing teeth about feminism; it's clear that your ignorance knows no bounds. You are all so accustomed to reading every single day about rape and murder of women that you accept that as the norm - as the way the world should be ordered.

If women were killing and hurting men at the same rate you'd be genuinely outraged and fed up with living in perpetual fear. You would want better than that for your daughters (and your sons; many of whom will be victimized too by the same 'natural' way of ordering society). You have never read anything about feminism that hasn't been twisted and fed to you by your misogynistic icons. You need to bear in mind that not all research on which social policy is based has been done by women or feminists or feminist sympathizers.

For the poster who referred to the way in which instruments have been used to measure violence, here is a link to a study done by fellows at the Australian Institute of Criminology:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti195.pdf

They explain that unless sufficient qualitative information is gathered to elucidate quantitative data, any 'research' will remain superficial.

They have some interesting material in there about youth attitudes to violence.

To those amongst you who carry on about when I or whomever else posts a response; I post when I can. I don't feel obligated to comply with whatever schedule you dictate.

Pynchme I can't quite remember but are you not an American troll, whose career depends on the propogation of feminist industry and propaganda?

I remember telling you about glennsacks.com It's impossible to be a feminist at an intellectual level when you read many of the facts and evidence of the harm done by feminism raised on the site.

Pynchme,

you asked me not to get so hysterical, yet you post;

<If women were killing and hurting men at the same rate you'd be genuinely outraged and fed up with living in perpetual fear>

The majority of male murders/assaults are committed by other men. I know that there are men who are bigger, stronger and healthier than me. But I choose not to live in perpetual fear, even though I as a male are much more likely to be assaulted or murdered than any member of your gender.

Richard L Davis wrote an interesting article at Ifeminists.

http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.389

<A recent report by the CDC “Surveillance for Violent Deaths — National Violent Death Reporting System, 16 States, 2005 (SVD)", documents that approximately 30% of suicides are precipitated by problems between intimate partners that lead to fatalities.

The SVD documents a domestic violence tragedy that remains largely unexplored. The SVD notes, that of the 16 reporting states, problems between intimate partners precipitated 2,301 of the male suicides and 439 of the female suicides.>

So basically men are much more likely to commit suicide that are precipitated by domestic problems between partners.