I love these articles because, like the Muslim ones, they bring out the hardliners, each with a list of grievances that they spew over the posts like so much stale vomit. We should be able to talk about this without resorting to victimhood- on either side.

We must acknowledge one fact- men are far more likely to express frustration physically. This isn’t about value, just fact. (And no, I haven’t handed my penis to the radical feminists!)

Its biology and it starts from birth. Watch a mixed group of 2 year-olds (as I have) and its clear- the boys act out, the girls don't. Tens of thousands of years of specialization has made men, kilo for kilo, stronger and more aggressive than women. For most of that time it has been an advantage. That suddenly our society has less need of those traits doesn't make them go away.

Women, especially in teaching and childcare, need to stop punishing boys for being physical (yes girls, it happens- deal with it). Just the same as men need to acknowledge that these instincts are no longer valid in the modern age and stop condoning them in ourselves and others.

We were all young men once, so let’s not kid ourselves: we know what we thought about, said about women; we know how we used threats to get what we wanted and how good it felt. The girls manipulated eachother- we used our fists. But with age and civilization comes responsibility.

Beating the hell out of your wife because you have a crap job and you feel angry and frustrated is about the most cowardly and repugnant act I can think of. Yes, we are stronger- but it’s a rotten soul that thinks that’s justification.

Ignore the impetus for the white ribbon and look for the meaning behind it. It says that I’m man enough to control myself. And it says that I’m man enough to stand toe-to-toe with another cretin and say 'you are a coward for hitting your family'.

How can this be anything other than a celebration of male strength?

Sarcasm, SJF

I really wonder, how come after 30-40 years of DV re education, why is it still a problem? What is it that is not being addressed?

I do know that ETOH and drug abuse plays a significant role in DV, also so does mental illness, particularly when a person goes off their medication and becomes psychotic.

I noticed that female glassing victims seem to be likely to be glassed by another female.

The way I figure it is that if our society is really interested in reducing the level of violence, then all forms of violence must be addressed, seriously.

Of course women are more likely to be the victims of violence than men. If you want to hurt someone you use your best weapon and for a man it is probably going to be physical violence. For a woman it will be something else. This could not possibly be any different since men always have been and probably always will be bigger and stronger than women. If women were bigger and stronger than men the statistics would surely be reversed. There is not something innately violent about men – just an innate physical advantage.

Why is the discussion only ever about violence as if it were the only effective form of aggression. “Over two million children, have witnessed physical or emotional violence against their mothers.” Does this mean they have never witnessed emotional violence against their fathers or does it mean they were not asked? Does it perhaps mean that it doesn’t hurt men as much as women?

Many women do not want the discussion to be about aggression because they do not want to have to answer for their own part in the breakdown of relationships. Violence is never acceptable as a way of dealing with a problem but neither is any other form of aggression. Any ‘expert’ in family relationships that refuses to look at the complete picture is obviously trying to protect a more personal agenda.

I note the usual generalised abuse of men from SJF, along with the usual lack of anything of substance. Much easier to stand on the sidelines trying to be a smartarse than to actually try to keep up with the players, isn't it?

No one disputes that women sometimes get hurt in domestic situations, what I dispute is the author's facts and Michael Flood's ability to produce anything worth reading, let alone anything worth referring to. As R0bert has mentioned, conflating mutual arguments and controlling behaviours as "violence" is simply debasing the experience of real victims. As my Mum used to tell me, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me". Sadly, the DV industry seems to be unclear on that point, which is hardly surprising, given the lack of genuine violence for them to use to justify their massive funding claims.

Here's a challenge, SJF: give us some unbiased references produced by reputable researchers that back up what the article claims. I recommend starting with the ABS, painful as you might find it to deal with reality rather than an ideological fantasy.

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