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Palestine - lame ducks, dead ducks and revived ducks : Comments

By David Singer, published 1/12/2008

The Middle East Road Map, like the Oslo negotiations, is now just a curiosity piece to be picked over by future historians and conflict resolution centres.

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Methinks the real dead ducks are the views of Australian propagandists who write things about Israel that Israelis would scoff and laugh at. Mr Singer, your views represent the kind of fundamentalist fringe that has no place in the real world. You obviously oppose any realistic peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Instead, you expect all Palestinians to move to Jordan so that wacky unwashed settlers can create "Eretz Israel". G-d help us all if your plan is ever adopted by the Obama administration. Somehow, I think it won't be given that sensible moderate Zionists like Rahm Emanuel have the ear to the new President.
Posted by Irfan, Monday, 1 December 2008 11:41:24 AM
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...'turn the Jews into a minority population in their own state'..?
some sort of joke perhaps? The only claim that 'the Jews' have to Palestine is some highly doubtful self fulfilling prophecy teased out of a babble of pseudo religio/history found within their own writings, and gleefully seized upon by right wing christain fundamentalists as heralding the return of Christ.
If there ever was a new testament Christ, he certainly wont be back, and the very western 'raison d'etre' of modern Israel simply collapses into a heap of blood soaked dust and rubble. The sufferings of the Palestinian people is a blot on the conscience of the western democracies.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Monday, 1 December 2008 12:25:12 PM
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You're right we can't forceably move 500,000 Jews out of the stolen lands... there is an alternative.

Transfer the soverignity of those stolen lands over to the new Palestinian state. Have the any 'settlers/landstealers' renounce Israeli citizenship and accept Palestinian citizenship. Erect a Palestinian security fence to prevent futher Israeli settler terrorism. The new Palestinian state could initiate economic and land reform in their soverign territory. They could create Palestinian Land Courts to return or allocate privately owned and abandoned land to Palestinian citizens ... only.

Those actions wouldn't be novel for this region but we'd be guaranteed to see a peaceful exodus of people who wished to remained Israeli and live in the Israeli homeland.

Perfect ... it's a wonder someone hasn't thought of it before.

I've never eaten sweet and sour Duck ... pork or beef, but not kosher, yep. They are very tasty, widely available and ... uhmmm ... cosmopolitan.
Posted by keith, Monday, 1 December 2008 5:56:21 PM
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Peter Singer has an interesting point - if the respective road map(s) had been published widely in the popular press at the time the negotiations were going on, then everyone would know what was offered and what was rejected. (My apologies if the various maps have been published, but I think they have ony been seen in specialist books, outside of the negotiating rooms.)
Personlly, I think the Muslim Arabs only want peace on their terms - that is, Israel is to no longer be a Jewish state. This is the reason that the right of return is insisted on (often under the euphamism, 'a just resolution of all outstanding issues') and why the mostly Muslim palestinians are held hostage in refugee camps by Muslim countries, who refuse them entry, permanent residency and citizenship. That the palestinians cooperate in their imprisonment is testimony to the strength of this anti-Semitism abroad in the Muslim world. (The Christian palestinians, as far as I've seen, don't want a Muslim-dominated Israel: after all, they live in a Muslim-dominated environment already.)
Israel has every right to refuse to be anything but a secular Jewish state, and so the right of return has to be refused. Only once Israel's Muslim neighbours can live with this will there be peace. But that means Muslims accepting that another piece of the world is not ruled by their fascist regime. It took them a long time to come to terms with losing Spain, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, Greece, Armenia. But these could be said to be on the periphery of the Muslim world: Israel is near it's centre.
I won't hold my breath, as it's likely to take many years. It's been 60 years so far.
Posted by camo, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 2:31:21 PM
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Irfan:

No one - Jew or Arab - need leave his current house if the West Bank is divided between Jordan and Israel. Is this clear enough?

GYM-FISH

It is always easy to be abusive with an anonymous post. The Palestinians Arabs could have had their state in 1937, 1947, between 1948-1967, 1993, 2000 and between 2003-2007. The problem is they want it all. That is their prerogative to struggle for. It seems rather pointless and futile.

Keith,

Your solution is certainly one the Palestinian Authority could do well to look at. You should seek out their views. They would have to revoke certain provisions of the PLO Charter but nothing is impossible if the will is there to achieve it. Again this is not the expressed outcome Abbas is seeking. He wants a Jew free West Bank.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 2:31:43 PM
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So David, you are opposed to the 2-state solution. That places you on the far-Right fringe of Israeli politics. Why should anyone, Israeli or Australian, take your "solution" seriously?
Posted by Irfan, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12:37 PM
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