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Government uploads hypocrisy with internet censorship : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein, published 14/11/2008

Free speech is never absolute but there should be vigorous public debate before any shift in freedom of the internet.

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KAEP, While I agree with you the counter argument must be to protect the innocent.
Take OLO for instance.
Pale has been accused of-
A Raising funds unlawfully- which is silly considering we self funded in conjunction with RSPCA QLD including the fact my own property was morgaged to help cover costs
Not to mention many good people give up their time for nothing from one day a week to seven.
Our team of lawyers who again just give their time and certainly do not need to be defamed as a reward for their kindness to animals.
Then of course there has been the allegations that we support FGM because we actually do a lot of work with our Muslim people both in Australia and elsewhere.

These people who are too gutless to use their real names but for what ever purpose think they can get away with destroying the names of good people MUST be dealt with under the SAME laws of our country that everybody else has to obey and be answerable to.

Needless to say I suppose some organisations who seem to spend a great deal of time rattling the tin would see an advantage in some of their members posting in false names to defame what they might possible see as opposition- whatever.

Who can ever forget as another example the dreadful comment posted about aboriginals on the day Kevin Rudd said sorry.

I am all for freedom of speech but not to the point it can cause hatred and defamation and racial comments or any unfairness to the innocent. Speaking of mud- It sticks.
Whether its true or not. All the laws of a country must also be included into the net. Otherwise we have no laws morals or rules.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 11:01:03 AM
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When shall we three meet again
In thunder, drought, lightening or economic pain?

When the hurly burly's done,
When the environments lost and the GST economy's won.

That will be ere the set of 25 million setting suns.

Where the place?

Upon next November Heath.

There to meet with Howard Rudd.

Hark, Paddock calls the souls of live exports.

Fair is foul and Bailouts fair.
And except in polititians ivory lair,
Media Hover through the GST-smog and drought stricken, filthy over-immigrated air.

All hail!
GST, Immigrate, Externalise the costs,
Who is too slow or dumb to know
are soules for the Master's hosts.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 1:26:19 PM
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runner: "You both know that my comment regarding biblical expression was in the context of what is taught at university."

I can't speak for CJ, but no runner I didn't realise that was the context, possibly since this is the first you've mentioned it. Others more knowledgeable than I have chimed in to set you straight on bible courses. As CJ says you will probably claim otherwise, but the fundamentalist Christian viewpoint will be presented as accurately as possible in these courses. Some students do end up adopting it as their preferred style of Christianity. Evidently Fred Nile did, as he graduated from a tertiary course in Theology at the University of Sydney.

Fred came away from the experience with a very different view of our Universities to you. He said this in the defence of the Chancellor of his old Uni:

'The militant Senate majority should hang their heads in shame and allow Dame Leonie Kramer to retire at her pleasure, after being re-elected unopposed in 1999" said Rev Fred Nile MLC. "I thought Universities were the bastion of free speech and thought?"'
http://www.cdp.org.au/fed/mr/2001/010531a.asp

I don't know whether Fred has given a lecture at any University. His Wikipedia page says he was asked to speak at Sydney Uni on one occasion. But regardless, your argument that the opinions of the likes of Fred Nile are banned from expressing themselves at our Uni's is revealed as yet more baseless disinformation by this: he was asked to join the ruling council of one of them - the University of Woolongong.

As for engaging in character assassination, it wasn't my intent. Yes I am pointing out you say some pretty vile things, and that you lie and deceive in support of them. But every OLO regular already knows that. As Steel astutely said: "You assassinate your own character, runner". Rather, I am trying to show you your words would be the targeted by pressure groups for censorship. You are in effect lobbying for your own demise! Believe it or not, I personally do not want to see that happen.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1966&page=0#40344
Posted by rstuart, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 1:49:07 PM
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"People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming": What are you actually here for? What has "Live Exports" and "Intensive Farming" got to do with defamation?

Why is it that we "simply CANT(sic) have no laws controlling the net"? You don't offer a reason beyond "damaging and lower[s/ing] the standard of our society". You know it's an international thing, right? And that very often people on forums aren't even living under the same law system and culture?

You also complain about kids, but here's a newsflash: the kids did not raise themselves.
In both of these things, you're just finding ways to pass the buck, and finding something to blame for society changing in a way that you don't like.

So you're supporting a government having the power to subvert its citizens and that they should have the power to damage the basic tenements of our society (by a stupid means, too), while complaining that our society is being damaged.

I'm sure you'll forgive me if I laugh.

Finally, where did I mention or defend porn? I made no reference to it. You've had several shots at simply changing the focus of the conversation, and I don't see any worth in following it up further.
Posted by Chade, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 6:15:20 AM
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