By all means, Boaz, be my guest.

>>Were I to use your curious "Keeping domestic pets is slavery" to counter every argument you raise which I did not agree with<<

It might not be easy to stay relevant, but go for it. It is a position that I do not resile from.

But I am exceptionally grateful for your revised and clarified position on domestic violence.

>>Re my daughter.. let me emphasise..I...Don't justify it from the Scriptures, in spite of the verse I quoted...[and] Would not see that verse as anything other than a principle that 'discipline is important' and many means can be used to achieve that.<<

By my reckoning, Boaz, this means that on the subject of corporal punishment for sub-teen girls, you are firmly in the camp of "make it up as you go", since you do not appear to have scriptural licence for your position.

Would that be a fair observation?

I trust that you will in future spare us the deep sigh, the shrugged shoulders, and the blanket condemnation of "MIUAUG" every time someone decides to use their own moral compass.

As you clearly have done in this case.

Deal?

>>I find myself rather cynical about your motives. By all means call me a hypcocrite.. in fact you usually do..<<

I don't recall ever calling you a hypocrite, although I would suggest that some of your wilder fantasies have deserved the label.

But my motives are pretty straightforward, really.

You set yourself up as the judge and jury on the topic of what we should believe about Muslims and Islam, using your religion as the primary weapon.

As an atheist, I consider that to be an argument without a foundation. When you claim something for yourself on this basis, and expect the argument to stand simply because you say so, or because some scriptures that you translate for us say so, I will reject it with every bit of logic and reason at my disposal.

Why?

Because I believe that religious fundamentalism - yours included - poses the greatest present physical danger to our civilization.

I see the same people are still here after all these years.

PERICLES

You haven't changed a bit. Think whitey hits his wife too much? What about the racist black rappers that spew misogyny?

Why don't feminists attack them? Because they'e BLACK! And blacks used to be slaves remember?

I think that's why Malcom Fraser is the dumb way he is with rich Afghanis who fly here to western paradise country hoping for dole.

He's South African...dad probably owned a few! Keep your white guilt to yourself.

Guess what? Even in Australia, Domestic violence among Muslims is extremely low.

Good people? Haha. With just this week senior imams declaring RAPE IS ALLOWABLE IN MARRIAGE, polygamy (but only for the men - no wonder blacks find Islam so appealing - they're pretty bad too in Africa) no wonder the rate is so low.

Not many people escape from prison either mate.

What a crock. I even remember a few ads about dv a few years back, and I actually wrote a letter (which was published in the Australian) asking why no minority women - say one with a veil - were in the ad.

Aren't we all Australians?

No...that's the problem. We change. We used to cover dv up...now we don't.

I feel the same INTENSE BURNING ANGER when I hear Muslims comment on paedo in the church...

Islam SANCTIONS paedophilia for crying out loud! Just look at Mohammed's marriage to a 6 yr old!

WOnder why they've got problems with women?

Bravo, Pericles!

Can I just run that bit again? It's expressed so clearly and unequivocably: -

"But my motives are pretty straightforward, really.

You set yourself up as the judge and jury on the topic of what we should believe about Muslims and Islam, using your religion as the primary weapon.

... When you claim something...and expect the argument to stand simply because you say so, or because some scriptures that you translate for us say so, I will reject it with every bit of logic and reason at my disposal.

Why?

Because I believe that religious fundamentalism - yours included - poses the greatest present physical danger to our civilization.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 2:05:00 PM ".