Thanks Col Rouge.

Let me put a proposition to you. Without the French Revolution and Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety your precious capitalism would not exist as it does today.

There is a serious discussion going on here Col Rouge. What a pity you can't rise above stereotyping and drivel to participate intelligently in it.

Divergence, you talk about natural capital. In a speech by Liz Ross last year this is an important part of the socialist conception of capitalism. It exploits both workers, in the marxist sense, and the natural environment. (Liz's pamphlet Capitalism: It's costing us the Earth is available from Socialist Alternative (www.sa.org.au)).

I am trying to edit it down for OLO, or perhaps my website (enpassant.com.au) then OLO.

Col

‘I read the first two paragraphs of this article and fell over laughing.’

When a post begins in this way, it’s a promise that the rest of the post will be a grab-bag of clichéd, arrogant silliness.

'The socialists rely on the gullibility of individuals to believe their lying rhetoric, until it is too late and the Terror is upon us.'

And when a post ends in this way, it's proof that the promise of the opening sentence was fulfilled.

So revolutions bring terror and blood and dead people? Wow! And, of course, they always occur in societies that are perfectly safe, sane, workable and just to start with. And we all know that not a single life has ever been lost due to capitalism ... Eh-ba-gumm.

Passy “Let me put a proposition to you. Without the French Revolution and Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety your precious capitalism would not exist as it does today.”

Hardly,

The beneficiary of the French revolution was

Napoleon Bonaparte

He raped and ravaged Europe until the combined English and German forces defeated him and sent him into exile on Elba.

So NO, capitalism owes nothing to the French Revolution.

That is just another corruption of history by the socialists, desperate to find anything which drags their enfeebled drivel and philosophy out of the gutter.

“There is a serious discussion going on here Col Rouge.”

Hardly, like I said, the topic of socialism would be a farce, a joke, if it did not have the blood off millions upon its hands.

“What a pity you can't rise above stereotyping and drivel to participate intelligently in it.”

For me to engage in equal debate with a socialist would require me to relinquish half my IQ.

I have never believed in equality and never will.

You can try all you want to hurl ad hominines but they lack the ‘steel’ of a real insult,

Which is only to be expected

SJF “And we all know that not a single life has ever been lost due to capitalism”

But the pursuit of contemporary “capitalism” has not used starvation and mass murder (like Lenin, Stalin Pol Pot, Mugabe, the North Korean butchers, the Stalinist puppet despots of eastern Europe etc) as a policy option.
Indeed, modern capitalism has pursued the idea that the way to improve the lot of the many is to expand the realm of the consumer classes, increasing the market for the innovations of capitalism. Even the Chinese understand how it works better for them than Maos little red book.

Like the song goes, “Money Makes the World Go Around”.

That is “Capitalist Money” where everyone might get rich if they are innovative, work hard and have a bit of luck.

All that socialist money gave anyone were equal shares in cold beds, empty stomachs and empty begging bowls.

[John, please don't go near rougey's fish trap - like the steady empty lines to take up more space, the content is like aluminium chaff dropped against radar beams i.e., spurious distraction. It's just online trolling and the OTT arrogance stuff proves it yet again. Others too: please stay on track with serious respondents, for the sake of our discussion and the useful points and references elicited]

The best way to end the current imperial wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would be to expose the Big Lie that there exists in the world today a diabolically clever Islamic terrorist network known as "Al Qaeda" with the intent and ability to overcome the world's most formidable air defence system in spite of the best efforts of those in control of that system in order to be able to launch the devastating terrorist attacks such as those which occurred on 11 September 2001.

To paraphrase Hermann Goering, the best way to win public support for wars of aggression is way is to convince the people that they are threatened with attack by foreign enemies. That's what Hitler was able to do in 1939, and that was what George Bush was able to do after the 'false flag' terrorist attack of September 11.

See http://www.911oz.com http://911truth.org http://911bloggers.org http://ae911truth.org http://www.911oz.org http://www.911oz.com http://pilotsfor911truth.org http://stj911.com http://www.nyc911initiative.org and forum on "9/11 Truth" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166&page=0#50196

I commend Ellen Mariani's open letter to President George W Bush at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRBOUildaJE

Ellen Mariani's husband was killed on September 11 on the hijacked United Airlines Flight 175. President Bush refused to release the airport surveillance tapes which would have shown her husband boarding the doomed flight.

I also commend the speech "I call it Treason" by retired US Air Force Colonel Dr Robert Bowman at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4976139611627220171 and Canadian journalist Barrie Zwicker's excellent 70 minute documentary "The Great Conspiracy" at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623

Although the latter was made in 2004, it remains an excellent and compelling introduction to the gaping holes in the official US Government explanation of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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I don't know how malthusianism got into this discussion, but I am with the malthusians. The view that the planet can support yet an even greater human population and that nations have no right to restrict the right of others to immigrate there as espoused by much of the left as well as the usual 'free market' 'extremists is self-evident cornucopian idiocy.

To my Deja vu dismay, I have discovered OLO screamers are no different to the Alabama lynch mobs incited and choreigraphed by the KKK of the deep south.

The crux lies in the presumption John Passant is umpatriotic - unaustralian.

Enigmatic and prescient, JP's article certainly raised a few hackles. Unsurprising, the criticism is all too personal. Mobs fail to realise there is no point in lynching the messanger. Freedom to express oneself is an undeniable tenant of the Constitution. Many have died for the right.

The man has guts/balls to call a spade for what it is - something the majority of hyenas haven't grasped.

Our Rememberance Day wasn't even acknowledged in the supermarket - the pause was farcical even comical. Embarrassed shoppers hurried on. Business as usual.

So who celebrates this relic of WW1 ?

Media tart, and shameless populist Rudd & Turnbull, and the glitterati who fronted the cameras. Bravo. Not to mourn the falllen, but to promote themselves. Party hacks, hanger-ons, TV, Canberra press corps. BTW, organised shuttle buses ferried the rent-a-crowd to Parliament House for FREE nibbles and breverages.

J P's reminiscence of Oz's War History, is overshadowed by perfidious Politicians, the Armament Industry, avaricious lobbyist. The Capitalist - the Krupp's, Siemen's, Mitsubishi's, GMC, IBM, Honda etc are the REAL beneficiaries of Wars. All have tweaked the system, raked in trillions and profited immensely. Socked away in Swiss accounts, they are answerable to no one. Their Dynasty's - generations of Rothschild's, Rockerfeller's, Krupp's, Sieman's, Cheney's are legendary.

Quote: " until we rid the World of capitalism there will be Wars ".Thanks for the reminder.

In our somnambulate complacency, we continue to subscribe to this mindless paradigm. The colossal Submarine/ Frigate/ aircraft Industry comprising Thales,Boeing,Kockums,Tenix, Transfields, Strategic Marine, BEA etc, show no signs of slackening. Oz Defence Budget is a whopping 4 % of GDP and increasing by the minute. More Universities and Research establishments are embroiled. Billion dollar Govt grants ensures Academia share the spoils of this hoax " no-return-for-money " largesse.

Throughout Aust History, from the ill fated Gallipoli landings,Darwin, Crete, Kokoda, Vietnam