Polycarp,

As you should well know by now I am not 'Politically Correct'. I actually share some of your concerns about Islamic fundamentalism and high immigration.

Nevertheless, Muslims, other than the occasional handfuls of deluded patsies, such as the 19 we are told performed the hijackings of 11 September 2001, are guilty of very few of the terrorist acts that have been attributed to them in recent years.

'False flag' terrorist attacks, which appear to have originated from within Western Intelligence agencies and the military in recent years, include, apart from the September 11 atrocity:

* The Madrid Bombings of 11 March 2004

* The London Tube bombings of 7 July 2007 (http://julyseventh.co.uk/)

* Sectarian mass murder in Iraq (see "September 2005 "British 'Undercover Soldiers' Caught driving Booby Trapped Car" at http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050920&articleId=972 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#49436)

In 2002 the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2OG http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1028-11.htm) was set up by the U.S. Government to, among other things to:

... launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists
and states possessing weapons of mass destruction--that is, for instance,
prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to "quick-response"
attacks by U.S. forces.

In other words, it was the stated policy of the P2OG (stupid acronym, why not just 'PPOG'?) to provoke Islamic terror cells into murdering innocent people as part of an ostensible tactic to destroy them.

Much of the phenomena of Islamic Fundamentalism was known to have been fomented directly by the U.S. itself, beginning from in 1978 when the Carter administration funded Islamic extremists, including Osama bin Laden himself to destabilise the modernising Government of Noor Mohammed Taraki.

The gullible and foolish left believe the myth that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda turned on the U.S. even though he was treated in a U.S. hospital in Dubai and met a CIA operative in July 2001 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html)

All,

Please excuse the intrusion.

[Dear Poly. You have left unanswered two key questions from the suicide the thread. One did Jesus have fore knowledge and therefore it was "death by cop"? ... Very much against the Jewish faith, which honours the body as God's creation. The second, does not Hosea 6:6 state that God requires mery/love (trans.) not sacifice? Please return. Sells skipped too]

OH come now *bOAZy* No need to be shy is there?

*The Satanic Verses*

Argueabley they demonstrate that the Prophet

(May peace b his portion)

was human and fallible like the rest of us. As the great attrocities perpetrated by various popes demonstrate that they also are human and very fallible, and that's being polite.

But, why is it with ease u disavow some of "their" deeds such as the crusades as being not the work of real "Christians" but do not say the same in terms of Islam?

Is it not these political creatures in some of the churches, mosques and synagogues who insist that they are God's chosen representatives, infallible and directed by Holy Spirit who are the problem?

These people refuse to be questioned and refuse to change and consequently are perpetually ill prepared to adapt to the ever evolving circumstances round about us.

Dogmatic and obstinate. Thus, it is very likely that it is only a matter of time before another catholic "priest" abuses a child, i.m.h.o. Better that they roger each other I reckon and in that they have my full support. ;-)

Where is the counter terrorism of children surveillance report on the internal justifications/rationalisations of the inner circle of the clergy that it may be submitted for public and peer review visa vi their cover ups and dismissive attitudes?

Come on, James Sinnamon. So "The Madrid Bombings of 11 March 2004" and "The London Tube bombings of 7 July 2007" were " 'False flag' terrorist attacks, which appear to have originated from within Western Intelligence agencies and the military"?

This on top of the "9/11 Truth" bulldust.

It's not only Pete's "usual religious obscurantists who are comically over-represented in OLO" who hilariously dumb down the discussion about our draconian 'counter-terrorist' laws.

Get help, James. You seem to be seriously unhinged.

Porky - Benbrika & co could have been investigated, apprehended and convicted under existing conspiracy and sedition laws. However, Thompson and Haneef - who were both found to be not guilty of any crimes - couldn't have been. What does that say to you about the legislation?

Hi Dreamy
sorry I didnt respond earlier.. post limit thingy.

<<But, why is it with ease u disavow some of "their" deeds such as the crusades as being not the work of real "Christians" but do not say the same in terms of Islam?>>

I think you are touching on an important point which explains a lot of the dramatic divergence between myself and a few others on this issue.

This is very basic to understanding my position.. i.e. I regard our(the) Lord Himself, by example and word, to be the dividing line.. reference point.. deciding vote.. for anything claiming to be Christian.

I take the same approach to Islam and Mohammad. It's when I apply the standard of Christ to Islam, that people see me as some kind of 'whack-a-mozzie' bloke. But the key point is that when we simply compare founder with founder, their words and deeds.. we find on the one hand in Christ....
-No violence
-No murder of enemies
-No army
-No gang of thugs
-No forced conversions

In Christ, in the record we have....we find 2 things

1/ Peaceful proclaimation of the Kingdom of God... "the Gospel"
2/ Peaceful life full of compassion and love. (except towards the religious hypocrites/leaders, but his condemnation of them was limited to verbal)

and on the other hand Mohammad...did all of the above list of - points.

The Satanic verses DO indeed show him to be fallible... a normal human..and this has been my contention from day one. In fact it explains all the black marks on his character as per the list.

THAT is the whole point :) He was from human origins.. the Lord Jesus was from Divine. Hence the difference in approach. Earthy=violent, murder,jealousy,conflict, war, empire. Heavenly=Self control, love, compassion, no political agenda.

You can read the Gospels and then some Islamic history (just the Quran surah 9 is enough) to see which one is which.

Of course, Christopher would say that the claims of the 9/11 Truth Movement are 'bulldust', because George W Bush and the Australian corporate newsmedia have told him that they are.

And all Chris ever needs to know about the London Tube Bombings, the Madrid Bombings, the foiled British car-bombing attack of 18 September 2005 in Basra, P2OG, etc is to be found in the pages of Rupert Murdoch's Australian.

CJ is quite correct not to even to even consider contrary evidence about such preposterous allegations.

Far better and far more productive for CJ to instead spend his time telling anyone who thinks differently from himself that they are 'fruitloops', 'wingnuts', 'freak shows', 'nutbags', and 'looney tunes' (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166&page=0).

CJ Morgan wrote, "Get help, James. You seem to be seriously unhinged."

Very compassionate of you CJ to keep on telling people like myself who display such obvious symptoms of mental illness by espousing views contrary to your own that I am a 'fruit loop'.

They tell me that this is habit that you have formed.

I have been told that you once attacked someone with a bi-polar condition as 'mentally ill'.