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The Obama landslide : Comments

By Philip Machanick, published 31/10/2008

The US now needs a leader with the mass appeal of a JFK, the long-range vision of an FDR, and the unifying skills of a Nelson Mandela.

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Themo,

"turning a losing war into a victorious one". Think you might be a trifle premature there. Let's see the war has been going badly for about 5 years. In the last 6-9 months the situation had calmed somewhat but I don't recall seeing anything about a wholesale withdrawal of US troops due to the overwhelming calm in Iraq. Perhaps you could explain you criteria for victory? I do recall recent difficult negotiations between the Bush administration and a reluctant Iraqi government over a timetable for said complete withdrawal. Perhaps the fact that an agreement was reached counts as a victory for you?
Oh and quoting Krauthammer on why we still need the neocons is always going to fail. His currency is worth as much as Zimbabwe's.
cheers

Patrick.
Posted by pbrosnan, Saturday, 1 November 2008 2:56:06 PM
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Thermo, what is needed in the present ME situation, is a detection sense, which you appear to have little of when you mention the Surge as an American victory.

The Surge in fact, was a desperate move by the US to have its Generals seek a parley with Saddam's Sunni Shaiks, which they naturally jumped at telling their so-called Sunni insurgents they'd been offered foregiveness, as well as positions on the US military payroll.

Could suggest you contact the Washington Post when 18 months back they gave the report about a US gunship diving in and arresting a group of Malachi's government Shia's who had been doing their duty arresting a group of proven Sunni insurgents.

Naturally the US-backed Murdoch media would never have reported it, but just a case of journo's like Bob Woodward proving how every picture tells a story, certainly more so a movie camera story.

So much hidden, Thermo, which only us trained historians learn about.

Keep on having Fun,
Cheers, BB, Buntine, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 1 November 2008 3:44:30 PM
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The world would welcome an Obama win with a sigh of relief.

The 'if you're not with us you're against us' ideology would be purged. The use of this to denigrate oppostion to the Iraq war as some kind of sympathy for Saddam alienated some of the USA's best allies. Ironically though, by applying the same moronic logic to itself renders the current administration culpable of actively supporting such regimes as Zimbabe and Sudan as well the remaining 'axis of evil' incumbents of Iran and North Korea by not invading them.

The neocons have failed spectacularly. Their only hope is to find an intellect amongst themselves that can compete with the 'liberal intellegentsia'. The 'liberal intellegentsia' might agree and perhaps would recommend the neocons to hold their breath during the search.
Posted by Neutral, Saturday, 1 November 2008 5:33:53 PM
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Well it seems from all the reports the god-like cloud riding Obama is already Pres elect. according to all the media ... I prefer to wait to see what happens late Wednesday but by all indications there is a move towards McCain and Obama semms stuck on 47% to 49%. Others are not so sure either. The numbers from the latest Zogby Poll has McCain in front by 1%. Now that hasn't happened since the economic meltdown and if proves accurate it is going to cause quite a bit of consternation, choking and spluttering around the latte dispensers of this universe.

But Hey Bush was behind to Kerry by 6% on election eve in 2004 and Gore was behind by 10% within a week of the 2000 election ... and he nearly won.

This has been an astonishing campaign right from the start ... with Hillary's loss because primaries in Florida and Michigan were excluded. She'd have been the Demiocrat candidate were they included.

I tend to agree with Themi's comments.

Obama might be riding a landslide ... but it could be one that is burying him.
Posted by keith, Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:10:30 PM
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It's going to be interesting to see
who's the next American President.

Personally, I'm for Obama. Simply because
the McCain and Palin partnership scares
the living daylights out of me.

I see an old man who's pro
military, wants the Americans to continue
with Iraq, is pro Big Business - and believes
in privatisation - especially of health-care.
While his "hockey mum" gun-toting, partner
prides herself on her lack of experience.

Between the two of them - they could be a
global disaster.

She's gung-ho on war and her "blow them out of
the water," attitude, which would further increase
the Muslim world's intolerance of the Americans.
At the present time - the Muslim world is waiting to see
the outcome of the election.

Already there are questions of possible military
involvement with Iran, Syria, even Pakistan.

America needs someone of rationality, diplomacy,
good education, and cross-racial understanding,
to bring reason and stability to this gradually
disintegrating world. Barack Obama meets all
of this criteria.

Fingers crossed that sanity prevails on Election
Day!
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:57:25 PM
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bennie,

If you were an editor even in the most provincial newspaper and spelled out the obvious as news, you would not have held your position as editor for very long. Bigotry, irrational religious beliefs, and ignorance—like poverty—up to the present inflict even the best and most affluent societies. If educated prosperous America has this bane in its midst you can imagine other less educated and prosperous countries in what state they are in this area. To say however, that either McCain or Palin would select to govern for the irrational beliefs and ignorance of such minorities, is to show that one is completely politically naive and no one can take such person seriously.

And do you really believe that Obama has his “feet on the ground,” when he says that once America starts implementing its own values it will turn the present hate of the world for America into love, into a global loving circle of holding hands, including perhaps the fanatical jihadists?

Always bear in mind the great adage of Friedrich Nietzsche that the character of a person is revealed in critical circumstances, followed by my minuscule one that in hard times only the hard men/women prevail. Obama lacks the character to lead a great nation in our most dangerous times. In the vocation of Statecraft according to his populist policies and faith in changing America he remains an infant and is the ultimate ‘mummy’s boy’. As the worst mummy’s boy is the one who had no mother. (His mother abandoned him when he was an infant to be brought up by his grandparents.) That is why he chose Biden for his vice instead, the most savvy politically, of Hillary Clinton, because his wife Michelle didn’t want the latter. It’s Michelle that wears the pants, and if he wins it will be the first ‘matriarchic’ presidency of the United States.

Keith,

Indeed, your last words might turn out to be prophetic.

http://civcontraislam.typepad.com
Posted by Themistocles, Saturday, 1 November 2008 9:13:07 PM
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