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Desperately seeking role models of intelligence, wit and independence : Comments

By Lisa O'Brien, published 17/10/2008

In a society as image-conscious as ours it is hard to convince young women there is more to life than beauty.

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Hocus... IF it were not for the fact that I feel very connected already to a Global movement for justice and renewal (It's called the Evangelical Church).. your comment about 'Global Citizens' would just about wrench me into deep despondency and a clinging foetal position of hopelessness.

Why? because it is a notion that seems to be shared by a lot of equally naive people (such as yourself) which ignores a very imporant and fundamental fact of life.
The World currently has approximately 6 billion inhabitants. Of those, around 1.6billion do not care a scrap for any idea of 'Globalness' other than one which is under their own theocratic form of government.

You can identify which group by simply looking at the vast majority of trouble spots in the world today and see who the parties to the conflict are.

So..while your aspiration is noble, and worthy (in theory.. Mr Machievelli might take issue on a few points:) it is simply unworkable except in the minds of the 2 or 3 remaining utopian socialists out there.

Nothing global will happen which ultimately is not 'Orwellian' in nature.

FRACCY.. I TOLD them not to use my image in advertizing :) (your link) specially after I read your comment in another thread about "Oh that Courtney-Courtney is such a hottie".. I would not want to pander to any shallow perceptions of the male species :)

There is no better role model than Jesus of Nazareth. Talked...walked.. he did it all, and without compromise.
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 20 October 2008 6:54:42 AM
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Now, who might that be, Boaz?

>>The World currently has approximately 6 billion inhabitants. Of those, around 1.6billion do not care a scrap for any idea of 'Globalness' other than one which is under their own theocratic form of government.<<

I suppose we might take some comfort from the fact that you are obviously becoming so acutely embarrassed at being consistently and blatantly whack-a-mozzie, that you have decided to hide behind hints and innuendo.

We now have a pattern of Boaz guessing-games to work with.

Guess who wants their own state-sponsored prayer rooms in universities?

Guess which 1.6 billion people are theocratically led, and "do not care a scrap for any idea of 'Globalness'"

etc.

I hope you will soon reach the next stage, Boaz, which is to realize that no-one mistakes you for a warm and tolerant quizmaster, just the rabble-rouser that you are. At which point, I hope, you will finally cease and desist, and take your bile permanently onto the more rabid anti-Muslim sites.

Or alternatively, stay and reason with us here, with an open mind and a loving heart.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 20 October 2008 2:02:15 PM
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Fractelle, thanks for your valuable opening post. Differing pressures but the same issue.

Cornflower it appears your opening post was on the wrong thread. The article associated with this thread did not blame men for the pressures on teenage girls and young women. I went back and reread it after reading your post but no such blame was handed out.

I don't want to be blamed for women's choices but neither do I need to get upset at being blamed when thats not being done.

I doubt that noting that a photo has been edited will have much impact, adults know that toned popular figures have bootloads of money to pour into personal trainers, diet consultants, grooming etc but all too often we still get intimidated by the image.

When we start to value intellect or a broad grasp of the issues more than looks we might get somewhere.

I was intrigued by part of the closing part of the article
"Why aren’t Australian actresses and comedians given air time or press pages to discuss the Garnaut report, or the upcoming American election, in a clever and engaging way?"

Maybe comedians will be wittier but I've got little reason to believe that australian actresses have a better grasp on the Garnaut report or the american election. Perhaps part of the problem is the enfatuation with celebrity, the idea that the seriously toned, the unusually beautiful or those skilled at comedy or acting are more worthy of airtime than others is part of the problem.

If we want female role models then give the airtime to female economists, female environmentalists or female political comentators rather than actors and comedians.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 20 October 2008 3:04:10 PM
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Like a dog to a bone Pericles :) Flies to honey.. ants to sugar... Pericles to Polycarp

No.. I don't mention the particular group because it is not relevant to the point.

The same might be said I guess of Marxists. Sure..they want a Global something..but a socialist utopia.... Not quite theocratic, but I'd call it Satanic without hesitation.

Embarrased ? :) hardly.

Though he (Jesus) was not so big on 'wit' because His mission was a serious one involving your own salvation, you have to give him honours for his come-backs to the various elites who tried to snare him.

Herodians: Taxes to Caesar? (Jesus) "Show me a coin"

Saduccess: Marriage in heaven? (Jesus) "You know neither the scriptures nor the power of God"

Lawyers: "Greatest law"? (Jesus) "Love God first and your neighbour as yourself"

The Chief Priests: "by What authority"? (Jesus) "Let's talk about John" :)

He ran rings around them Pericles...let's hope you are in the circle when you leave this world.

A gift to you from Him. (forget that it's at Hillsong)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebI3YUiAvU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Up58OEtps Nice one.

May He be the treasure you seek.

John 3:30

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=3&version=31
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 20 October 2008 5:04:44 PM
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You are kidding, of course, Boaz.

>>No.. I don't mention the particular group because it is not relevant to the point.<<

You just picked the figure 1.6 billion out of the air?

>>You can identify which group by simply looking at the vast majority of trouble spots in the world today and see who the parties to the conflict are.<<

And this was not relevant to your point? You are only fooling yourself, with this air of injured innocence.

>>The same might be said I guess of Marxists<<

That's actually quite pathetic. You know perfectly well what you were referring to, but now don't even have the courage to admit it.

You cannot resist, can you? Any opportunity - even in the middle of a thread about women role models - to make a snide remark.

The saddest part is the self-delusion, Boaz, make no mistake about it.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 20 October 2008 9:27:50 PM
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